Chaos by Tom O'Neill, pg369
"The most puzzling question of all," Bugliosi wrote, was how Manson had turned his docile followers into remorseless killers. Even with the LSD, the sex, the isolation, the sleep deprivation, the social abandonment, there had to be "some intangible quality... It may be something that he learned from others."
Here are some other candidates for that 'intangible quality.'
MENTALISM
Death to Pigs, by Robert Hendrickson, c.2011 pg323
".. Phil Phillips was actually being played by the workings of a "mentalist" ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
...mentalists, appear to demonstrate highly developed mental or intuitive abilities. Performances may appear to include hypnosis, telepathy... mind control.... Mentalists perform a theatrical act that includes effects that may appear to employ psychic or supernatural forces but that are actually achieved by "ordinary conjuring means", natural human abilities (i.e. reading body language, refined intuition, subliminal communication, emotional intelligence), and an in-depth understanding of key principles from human psychology or other behavioral sciences....
Long Beach Independent, 10-28-70
"When I(Vern Plumlee) first met Charlie, he walked up and said 'Let me run your life down' and he did. It just kinda blew my mind. He said I had been in jail since I was 14; knew I was at McClaren (Juvenile) Hall; knew I was AWOL. I don't know how he knew."
Maybe Charlie was employing the mentalist tactic of 'cold reading.'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
Cold reading is a set of techniques used by mentalists, psychics, fortune-tellers, and mediums. Without prior knowledge, a practiced cold-reader can quickly obtain a great deal of information by analyzing the person's body language, age, clothing or fashion, hairstyle, gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, level of education, manner of speech, place of origin, etc. during a line of questioning. Cold readings commonly employ high-probability guesses, quickly picking up on signals as to whether their guesses are in the right direction or not, then emphasizing and reinforcing chance connections and quickly moving on from missed guesses.
Dianne Lake 2022 interview
"He (Manson) had an uncanny ability to read people..."
MAGIC
Manson also used simple magic tricks to impress his followers with his powers:
Lynette Fromme says in Reflexion, pg19, shortly after first meeting Charlie:
"Later that night I watched cards, coins, and cigarettes disappear and reappear, slipping through his(Manson's) fingers. Not only did the tricks capture my awe, but his showmanship and spirit did too. I had to remind myself that this person could barely read..."
www.vanishingincmagic.com/mentalism/articles/history-of-mentalism/
These talented mind manipulation artists combine their keen understanding of human psychology with excellent showmanship and theatrics to create the illusion of extraordinary powers.
Death to Pigs, pg461
Good: We've seen him do, you know, what people call supernatural things. We saw him bring a bird back to life. We've seen him jump over things that no human being could jump over, all kinds of things.
Bringing a bird back to life is actually a fairly common magic trick:
HYPNOSIS
Manson apparently had sophisticated hypnosis skills, too:
medium.com/@donallogue/before-helter-skelter-2b86c0d3d8d0
(Danny Trejo) said (Manson) had hypnotic powers.
“That was the dude’s trick,” Danny said. “He survived inside by getting people high just talking to them. If he wasn’t a career criminal, he might have been one of those dudes who went to high schools and state fairs, the kind that brings people up on stage and gets them to do stupid things like pretend they’re a cat and sh**.”
Helter Skelter, pg162
Joseph Krenwinkel, father of Pat, re Manson:
"I am convinced he was some kind of hypnotist."
Death to Pigs, pg327
Interviewer: How could he control people like that?
Inyo County Deputy Sheriff Don Ward: Through suggestion--through mysticism--hypnosis if you wanna call it.
Shadow Over Santa Susanna, by Adam Gorightly, pg23
Most likely, Charlie employed various elements of hypnotism. It all had to do with the cadence of his voice, the intense look in his eyes, and the rhythmic movements he made with his hands and body.
Death to Pigs, pg244
Brooks: "Well, before when he put his motions in with it, all he had to do was start his motions and it's like, I would immediately turn on like a computer. Like, the button would be clicked and I'd become whatever machine or whatever tape was playing at the time."
www.woodstockjournal.com/pdf/RFK%27sFinalDayA.pdf
In late August of 1964 CIA off-oid Sydney Gottlieb put into place a project called MK-SEARCH.
“A member of the American Society of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis was recruited for the purpose. The hypnotist was dubbed ‘Fingers’ by Dr. Gottlieb from the theatrical way he used his hands to put a patient into a trance.
ACTING
Amazing acting skills were also part of his repertoire:
Reflexion, pg88
"Charlie was full of characters who took our attention, among them a lounge singer, a cowboy crooner, and "Hyme Feinschleister," a nebbish."
Member of the Family by Dianne Lake
--He could change his voice, intonation, and accent depending upon who was on the receiving end.
--Charlie used the shape of his eyebrows and the muscles in his face to become different people. He must have practiced a lot in prison, because he could isolate parts of his face that I didn't realize could move separately from the whole, dropping his brows in unison and then raising up only one. Then he made a V with his brows that made him look like the devil. With every movement of his face, his eyes changed as well, like a shapeshifter creating the illusion of different people and personalities.
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Dianne Lake 2022 interview
"He (Manson)just had this uncanny ability to morph into these different personalities and people... "
LSD
Charlie's employment of LSD to influence his recruits is well known, using some well placed props:
Shadow Over Santa Susanna, pg17
"On the wall of Manson's pad was a picture of Jesus, and below it Charlie often sat, sending out heavy vibes. ... Brockman was stunned by the realization that, if one dropped enough acid, then--like a psychelic alchemist--Charlie could manipulate the elements, turning himself into Jesus at will. "Charlie as Jesus was branded into my thoughts.... .. I knew I couldn't submit to whatever it was the idea of Charlie as Jesus expected of me. I only knew the man was playing heavy games. Charlie could plant that in a person's head, or create it, the same way a magician creates a bunch of flowers in the air.."
PSYCHOLOGY
Charlie also used his knowledge of human nature to exploit people's vulnerablities:
www.stlmag.com/news/years-of-chat-with-charles-manson/
Ken Dickerson, 20 in 2017, Manson pen pal 2005 to 2012
"He always wanted people to get rid of their ego..
--“He would make sure that any weirdness you had inside you, he found it.” Manson used that knowledge two ways: “He’d make you feel good about yourself, always make sure that you were happy in one way or another, give you compliments. If you didn’t feel comfortable with your body, he’d always say, ‘You are perfect. There’s nothing wrong with you. What’s wrong is other people judging.’” On the other hand, he also knew how to “make you as uncomfortable as possible.” Suggest homosexuality to someone who was totally straight. Keep people off base."
The success Charlie had conning people out of their property is a testament to his powers:
Death to Pigs, pg230
Watkins: "Charlie could go into some guy's house and talk him out of a ten thousand dollar piano."
The Family, pg50
-"Manson.. gave to Melba(Cronkite) a 1967 Red Ford Mustang which a New Yorker named Michael... had given to Manson."
Death to Pigs, pg258
Watkins: "When a guy goes off the ranch and comes back thirty minutes later and has a car and two hundred dollars and says somebody gave it to him. you know. He used to do that..."
Reflexion, pg120
Lynette: "I don't think I ever heard him directly ask for money, but it seemed that people couldn't wait to give it to him."
Conclusion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
Like any performing art, mentalism requires years of dedication, extensive study, practice, and skill to perform well and perfect.
Charlie developed a high degree of competence in the use of these mental mind-manipulation techniques. The question is, where did Charlie acquire these skills? He didn't get it from reading a book on magic tricks or hypnosis. Someone must have taught him.
We all know that Alvin 'Creepy' Karpis schooled Charlie in prison on the rudiments of playing the steel guitar. So why don't we know the names of these other teachers?
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 224 of 224Corrigan was a neighboring ranch to Spahn. It was also a movie/tv set. They may have intermixed the two ranches and I would not be surprised if George Spahn visited and was filmed there.
Beauders I'll check out General Hospital. I love Pam. I wish she was back on B&B.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I can't imagine that kind of treatment. Just know if I was there I would have beat them up for you. Picture that and maybe it will help!
If it makes you feel any better I used to get picked on because I was tall and beautiful in high school! Well I was tall anyway. I was 5'8" tall in the 7th grade and everybody else was a "squatty body". Back when I was growing up there were all kinds of bullies. Most of them were UGLY. I was told by one bully that I couldn't walk up her street anymore, and when I did, she confronted me with 2 other ugly girls (bullies never work alone) and came at me. I picked up a rock and knocked out her front teeth. I did get in lots of trouble for that one.
I can't stand Brooke. Just as I predicted she's keeping Hope's & Thomas' "salami slipping" from Ridge. She's a born no-good-nick.
Thanks Beauders! I was wondering if there were 2 movie set ranches in Simi Valley and this is the first I've heard of Corrigan. All you ever hear about is Spahn's Ranch!
Katie, Spahn movie ranch and Corrigan Movie Ranch (Corriganville) were 2 separate ranches, although they were very close to each other 3.9 miles by road, (probably right beside each other). At one time there were a number of western movie ranches in that area, filming westerns was apparently a pretty big industry. Iverson Movie Ranch is right across the street from Spahn Ranch.
I did a Google search, how far is it from Corriganville to Spahn Movie Ranch
Testing, testing.
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I tried to post a comment yesterday but must have forgotten to post it. Corrigan Movie Ranch and Spahn Movie Ranch are two separate movie ranches, although they are right beside each other. Iverson movie ranch was right across the street from Spahn. At one time there was an "upper Iverson", "middle Iverson" and "lower Iverson". It was not unusual to be filming 3 different westerns the same day.
Google maps says it's 3.9 miles from Corriganville to Spahn-- from Corriganville to Spahn
Wow I didn't know that Sunset. Iverson sounds familiar. Thanks!
"Hope, what are you doing?" Like Brooke doesn't what Hope is doing! Brooke bursting through that door was shown again today, Katie.
PS I now know how Liam is going to get between Steffie and Finn. He saw Finn hugging Sheila and Liam is going to tell Steffie.
I know Beauders I saw that. That was stupid.
What I don't understand is why, all of the sudden, is Liam so in love with Steffy? They keep talking like he always felt that way. That's stupid too.
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Katie8753 said: Does anybody know if the Corrigan Movie Ranch is the same as Spahn's Ranch?
They were different places.
Katie8753 said:
“I watched an old episode of Superman this morning and it was filmed at a western town setting and I saw some buildings that looked like Spahn Ranch. … The episode was called "The Bully of Dry Gulch".”
This episode wasn’t filmed at Spahn Ranch and while the natural scenery is similar to Spahn, the western town is much different and much nicer than Spahn Ranch.
The Corriganville Movie Ranch had a decent size western town and was open to the public as a theme park but couldn’t compete with Knott’s Berry Farm and (later) Disney.
The 1969 grunge-house drive-in style movie, “Linda and Abilene” is steam able. The movie shows “a lot” of “Sharon Matt”, a couple of shots with: Bill Vance(as a cowboy), the boardwalk, the creek, and the back ranch house (l think). Note, there are taboo subjects in this movie.
Thanks TabOrFresca!!
I love it Katie, Finn called Liam a puke. Tonight's the start of the anniversaries.
Liam is prowling around steffie already Katie, I really dislike him.
Katie, the thing about Liam is that he feels so entitled. It doesn't matter that Steffie is married and loves her husband, Liam wants her and he feels its okay to pursue her. He's spoiled and again feels entitled to anything he wants.
The point is not that Manson had some kind of natural affinity for one or two mind-manipulation skills. The point is that Manson seemed to be EXPERT in ALL of them.
In a recent interview, ex-Scientologist Jon Atak has identified several Manson techniques that have come out of Charlie's study of Scientology:
--Intensely staring into people's eyes when talking to them
--'Changing Hats' which means switching your personality to suite different people you talk to (mirroring)
--'Love Bombing' which is showering the subject with intense affection and praise
--Space/Hand mimickry, which is having someone follow your every motion and facial expression; this what a hypnotist would call 'pacing'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6G4NciNBOs
A psychologist explains how Charlie's way of speaking contributed to his powers.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rs03qn8uSCk
Mastering Manipulation: Charles Manson's Cult Creation Techniques
"Cult leaders often use this rhyming, ambiguous language as a tool to exert control over followers. This can be explained by a few key principles here.
"First, there is something in psychology called the 'Rhyme as Reason' effect. We tend to make this error because it suggests that statements that rhyme are perceived as more truthful, So rhyming makes a statement easier to remember and process, which tells our brain, 'Oh, that must be some good data there.'['If the glove does not fit, you must acquit.']
"Second, ambiguous or nonsensical language[Charlie babble] can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance, so its a form of a confusion technique where the leader obliterates the familiar, and replaces it with weird, and makes you more susceptible.
"Finally, unusual language can serve to separate the cult from the outside world and kind of creates a unique little vocabulary that only members think that they understand."
["(prosecutor Dino Fulgoni at LVH's second re-trial) ...stated that the mansonites actually used a private language as part of their everyday communications."]
A witness to Manson at the Ranch noticed his hypnotic powers:
https://www.cielodrive.com/archive/movie-lot-satan-portent-of-death/?fbclid=IwAR0Q5JkEXxzKN1uPlwPjLQuHODvFgdSXCIu2ov6Brut6UKSCPGtVuCF9qmI
"He was playing his guitar and singing to about a dozen starry-eyed, dirty-looking young girls with long, straggly hair who were squatting in a circle around him on the scrubby ground.
“The thing that got me was the way the girls just stared at him as if they were mesmerized, you know, in a hypnotic trance." ...
"They’d just sort of wander around the ranch aimlessly. To me, they appeared to be in a very sad state of life. And when they’d come toward you, they moved as if we were controlling them and had hypnotized them to come closer."
"Approaching one of the girls one day, Regina asked it she could help her. Instead of a direct reply, the “slave” girl said: ‘We love animals. We love any dog. We don’t have much to eat but we feed the dogs what we have.’ "
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