Clocking in at 219 pages the graphic novel covers the formation of the Family through the murders and their eventual capture in late 1969.
The book explores the backgrounds of the major players in the family from their youth to their joining the group at Spahn Ranch. It also tells the story of the Lottsapoppa affair, the Hinman murder, the death of Shorty Shea, and of course, the Tate/LaBianca slayings.
It explores the Helter Skelter scenario as well as evidence that the murders that took place a half a century ago were copycat killings designed to free Bobby Beausoleil from prison.
Gentile, a former Marvel Comics artist and designer, spent almost 7 years researching, writing and drawing the project, speaking to Manson biographers and people close to Manson before his death.
He’s crowdfunding the project through Kickstarter offering the book both digitally and in paperback format.
This is an interesting concept. It's basically the TLB story in comic book format. In all my years doing this, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it. At 219 pages, the author/illustrator obviously invested a lot of work.
I spoke to Randolph a few times via email.
He seems like a decent guy.
I wish him the best of luck with his project.
Feel free to follow the link (at the bottom of the thread) to support his work.
Here is a preview of the book.
And the Kickstarter Link is here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/leavesomethingwitchy/1690693262?ref=8ftb9p&token=0a2cc714
This is an interesting concept. It's basically the TLB story in comic book format. In all my years doing this, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it. At 219 pages, the author/illustrator obviously invested a lot of work.
ReplyDeleteI spoke to Randolph a few times via email.
He seems like a decent guy.
I wish him the best of luck with his project.
Feel free to follow the link (at the bottom of the thread) to support his work.
Wow that looks bizarre!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Skynard!
ReplyDeleteThe cartoon Tex looks scarier than the real Tex.
ReplyDeleteI hope with a passion that this graphic novel does not support the Helter Skelter theory. To believe that theory is to make me question your willingness to think for yourself!
ReplyDeleteI wish we could read at least a portion of the book on here.
ReplyDeleteDestroyer of opinions: I’m in the camp that the motives were a copycat killing to spring Bobby. I do, however, think talk of Helter Skelter was a major topic at the ranch, though not the motive
ReplyDeleteKatie: what you see are the first 10 pages. I can send you a few more if you like.
Sorry Randolph, but where are the first 10 pages? I didn't see them. I guess I'm missing something.
ReplyDeleteI saw cartoon depictions on the thread. Please clarify for me, and maybe for others who didn't see them. Are they on the Kickstarter page?
Thanks!
Dop, that's an interesting position. May I ask which motive belief would make one an individual thinker and why that would be ? Bobby
ReplyDeleteI just ran across a new documentary about the Manson women on the Oxygen Channel. It's from 2pm to 4pm Central Time. Gypsy's on there of course, but so are Sandy & Squeaky.
ReplyDeleteIf anybody's interested.
Hi Katie, there are images below this post and here's a link to a preview of the book. http://tinyurl.com/LSW-Preview
ReplyDeletethe kickstarter is here (with even more art) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/leavesomethingwitchy/leave-something-witchy?ref=user_menu
Thanks Randolph!
ReplyDeleteI watched that show today and it was very interesting. Sandy is still crazy. But Squeaky seems a little reticent and and apologetic.
ReplyDeleteI remember the gardener for the Cielo Drive property telling Garretson to "water the yard" that weekend because it was so hot.
And it was very hot that weekend.
Stephen Kay believes no one would want Van Houten or Krenwinkel living next door to them. Well Van Houten and Krenwinkel if released would be scared to jay walk let alone do anything else. It is Good no one should want next door, she is absolutely nuts and she is out, she could be your neighbor.
ReplyDeleteMr Randolph Gentile,
ReplyDeleteIn your researching about
The Charles Manson Case & Saga, did you uncover anything regarding "bikers" at SPAHN RANCH and/or "HAPPENING'S" pertaining to "bikers" at SPAHN RANCH when
The Charles Manson Family lived there?
I am of the belief, with what I have been told, that the killings at Cielo Dr had to do with
Terry Melcher's snub of Charles Manson's try for a music deal.
When Ivor Davis followed me on Twitter, I was very surprised. Here is my tweet to him:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nitrini1950/status/1154348962456858625
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Mario, I've got a question--don't you think Bugliosi's Helter Skelter is more ludicrous than Johnnie Cochran's LAPD framing OJ theory?
ReplyDeleteDestroyer,
ReplyDeleteI will tell you this. In my encounter with Charles Manson in January of 1969, Manson used the word "revolution." Nothing about a race war.
To answer your question, these 2 cases have so much that has not been uncovered. Believe me, I KNOW.
Bugliosi's Helter Skelter scenario?
Some of it was talked about.
Johnnie Cochran's framing of
OJ Simpson scenario?
Not to be evasive, but,
I KNOW TOO MUCH.
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You're so full of shit, you've been talking about this so called meet up with Manson for years but have never talked about it despite being asked about it hundreds of times
DeleteMy honest opinion about both cases is that Cochran and Bugliosi did the same thing to sway the jury to side with them—turn the trial into race issue and make certain players (Manson in the Manson trial and Mark Fuhrnan in the OJ trial) look much bigger than they really were.
ReplyDeleteMario: The Straight Satans biker gang was at the ranch and probably others. Danny DeCarlo was a SS biker who lived at the ranch for quite some time before fleeing after the murders. The Hinman murder might have been connected to the Straight Satans and his sale of drugs to them via Bobby Beausoleil... the motive for the Hinman murders has a few different stories connected to it.
ReplyDeleteYes, Destroyer, the "RACE CARD" was definitely played by The Defense in The OJ Simpson Case Criminal Trial.
ReplyDeleteMark Fuhrman? There's a nagging question about where Fuhrman was right around the time that Nicole Simpson & Ron Goldman were murdered. But, NO ONE has an explanation for ROCKY BATEMAN in The OJ Simpson Case & Saga.
Bugliosi? The "RACE CARD?"
For sure......
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Thanks Mr Gentile.
ReplyDeleteYes, you are correct when you say that there were other biker gangs at SPAHN RANCH when
The Charles Manson Family lived there.
I was in Twitter contact with George Christie. I'll leave it at that for now.
The Gary Hinman murder? You are correct again:
"the motive for the Hinman murders has a few different stories connected to it"
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Mr. DOP, Respectfully, you didn't answer my question. That's okay. I do agree with you that the O.J. trial race card was absurd. I'm from Buffalo and O.J. was my hero growing up. For the record though I don't think people that buy the HS motive are ignorant or necessary understand informed on the case. Folks that lived it buy for what it's worth. Also it doesn't relate all to manson being falsely accused prosecuted and found guilty. You insult a lot of people with your opinion. Thanks
ReplyDeleteBob.
RG, I read what you posted but I don't see where you have stated your definite opinion of the motive.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was watching the documentary yesterday, I noticed that Gypsy and some others talked quite a bit about how Charlie was preaching revolution and used different scenarios to make sure everybody felt afraid of most everybody, including blacks.
Then they mentioned the copy cat motive. George Stimson was on there and he came right out and said these murders were copy cat murders, although poorly done.
Sandy mentioned that she was in jail when the murders happened and found out about them when she got out, I think from Leslie.
I personally don't think that either the killers or non-killers in the family knew or know what the motive was. I think that Charlie is the only one who knew.
I've stated before, I don't believe in the copy cat motive because the murders were so different. The biggest most glaring difference is cutting the phone lines. That's a really big difference in these killings. You would think that if Tex, et al were trying to murder people in a copy cat fashion, they would get the big things like that the same.
The only similarities really were the brutal killings and blood writing. But the blood writing at Hinman was on the wall, at Cielo it was on the door, at LaBianca it was on the fridge. Not really the same at all.
Katie: my opinion of the motive is a copycat murder with Helter Skelter I’m the background but not the driving factor. I spoke to George Stimson quite a bit and I agree with him.
ReplyDeleteI tend to believe that these folks were not very good criminals and that coupled with 100s of LSD trips isn’t the best ingredients for masterminding a copycat murder to spring their buddy from jail. You would think that the word PIG being at every crime scene would be enough to at least pique some interest from police, but that didn’t happen. Plus when Bobby was caught he was in Hinmans car, with Hinmans blood on the murder weapon and then he tried multiple terrible alibis. There was no way he’d be let go. Back at the ranch I doubt they knew how much evidence they had on Bobby so they moved on with their plan. Charlie was away when Bobby got caught but arrived back at the ranch in time to help Tex and the others hash out their trip to Cielo Drive
As I’m sure most of you guys know, the deeper you get into this case the more you can spin around in circles with motive possibilities. When I wrote this book I looked Into everything I could and went with the motive that made the most sense to me.
RG, some people think that Cielo Drive was strictly all Tex, and it was because Frykowski & Sebring had done some kind of drug burn on Tex & Linda and it was all for revenge. Have you heard of that theory?
ReplyDeleteIf the TLB killings were supposed to be copy cats of the Hinman killing, how would Tex know how Hinman was killed?
ReplyDeleteYou don't think Bobby, Mary or Susan would have told Tex how Gary's killing went down?
DeleteKatie: I've heard the drug burn theory. Nikolas Schreck subscribes to this theory. Look up his stuff if you're interested.
ReplyDeleteTex would have known about the Hinman killing via Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner, who were at Hinmans, both made it back to the ranch after the murder.
RG, what is your opinion on why Charlie chose Cielo Drive and Waverly Drive for the murders?
ReplyDeleteMs Katie,
ReplyDeleteGeorge Stimson is NOT TELLING ALL regarding Sandra Good with what
Ms Good knows about certain "HAPPENINGS" at SPAHN RANCH when The Charles Manson Family lived there. And believe me,
MANY OTHER MANSON FAMILY MEMBERS are not telling ALL of what they know about certain "HAPPENING'S" at SPAHN RANCH when they lived there.
Regarding Charles "Tex" Watson, when I was finishing my California State Time Prison Sentence (Drugs),
I worked in the medical reception area at Chino because I could type. I met some people.....
....oh did I.....
2 of my inmate co-workers were at San Louis Obisbo prison when Watson was there. Watson was not everyone's favorite CON. He was not well liked at all from what I was told. One of my inmate
co-worker's said that Watson talked.......Can I prove what was told to me? No, but I believe what my co-worker told me about what Watson said. Is Watson believable in some situations?
I have corroboration......
Mr Gentile, you say:
"When I wrote this book I looked Into everything I could and went with the motive that made the most sense to me."
A question,
We're you able to look into
The Biker Situation at SPAHN RANCH when The Charles Manson Family lived there?
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Don't you ever get tired of lying? How you haven't been banned from these blogs is beyond me, you come up with one ridiculous story after the next and provide no proof
DeleteThanks Mario. What "happenings" are you talking about at Spahn Ranch? What did Watson talk about?
ReplyDeleteHe's FULL OF SHIT, a second grader could read his bullshit and know he's lying
DeleteMs Katie,
ReplyDeleteI cannot prove what "HAPPENING'S" I was told about when
The Charles Manson Family lived at SPAHN RANCH. I will let it
"Play-Out" at this time, and believe me, it will......
One situation I was told that
Charles "Tex" Watson talked about, were certain individuals who
"will never be found"
I did ask my inmate co-worker if Watson talked about a
"Construction Site," but he said Watson never mentioned that.
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Thanks Mario. I think we all know by now that Tex Watson embellishes the truth according to what benefits him. He claims to be saved but I have my doubts!
ReplyDeleteI find it funny that these killers seemingly never talk to each other. You would think they would have a bond that will never break.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine invading someone's home, savagely killing them, and then never talking again?
You would think that they would at least ask each other how they're doing. It's like science fiction.
These people were together almost all the time. Now, they're are as alienated as east is from the west.
And why isn't Mary on any of these documentaries? Isn't she the nucleous of the "Manson Family"? Wasn't her nickname "Mother Mary"? Didn't she indoctrinate all of these young women into the "brood nest"?
Why isn't she in all of these documentaries saying she's sorry??? She helped kill Gary Hinman. Is she not sorry? Is she just trying to fade into the woodwork and not be noticed?
You're welcome Ms Katie.
ReplyDeleteWhat these 2 co-workers of mine at Chino told me, when it came to Watson's "religious spirituality," Watson's hypocrisy was
"beyond belief."
So, when you say:
"He claims to be saved but I have my doubts!"
From some of the stories I was told about Charles "Tex" Watson from these 2 inmate co-workers of mine at Chino,
I agree with you 100%.
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The other women killers have said they are sorry. Susan, Leslie and Pat and even Linda have said in public that they are sorry. I don't know if they really mean it, but at least they said it. Mary has NEVER said she's sorry that I know of.
ReplyDeleteThanks Mario! I totally agree. Watson is the epitomy of using religion to "get away with murder".
ReplyDeleteWatson absolves himself from any participation in these grisly murders by holding "church services" and "spiritual counseling", all of which are some kind of parlor game. Anybody who believes that Watson is "spiritual" needs to reconsider buying some swamp land. The outcome will be the same!
After all of these years, Watson puzzles me more than any of the others. He had a clean upbringing in Texas, brought to church, taught right from wrong, taught to work hard for a living by his parents, only to become the "lounge lizard, do-nothing bum, hanger-on lying asshole and nightmare son" he became. I'm guessing his mother was too easy on him, but I hate to condemn someone I don't even know.
It is, what it is! And Tex is a typical scumbag amount-to-nothing!!!
Ms Katie,
ReplyDeleteWatson "KNOWS" about "HAPPENINGS" at SPAHN RANCH that he won't talk about. If he truly was
"A Man of God," he would "Talk."
The same with Bruce Davis.
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I agree Mario! Bruce and Tex are supposedly "men of God", but yet both are as silent as The Sphnyx when it comes to saying what really happened.
ReplyDeleteAnd neither of them are to be trusted. Do they really think that "turning to the cloth" is going to get them out of prison???
They will die there. If they were really "men of God" they would reveal everything they know to make sure every victim's family has closure.
But they aren't!
Absolutely Ms Katie.
ReplyDeleteYou said it PERFECTLY....100%
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"If they were really "men of God" they would reveal everything they know to make sure every victim's family has closure."
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ReplyDeleteAKAdave1971
AKA susanatkinsgonorrhea
AKA Rudywebershose
AKA Lou Gehrig
AKA Mon Durphy
or whatever you are,
This will be my last reply to you.
You have no idea whatsoever what my past is. Make sure your imaginary
"crystal ball" is working for future happenings regarding
The Charles Manson Case & Saga
and
The OJ Simpson Case & Saga
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Mario do you believe that Danny DeCarlo was a police plant at Spahn, from day one?
ReplyDeleteKatie, Tex was/is a classic psychopath. I believe they are born that way, his mother didn't turn him into a psychopath. If anything Watson's mother was too strict and controlling. She pretty much demanded perfection.
ReplyDeleteMs beauders,
ReplyDeleteIMO, I do not believe that
Danny DeCarlo was a police plant. And one of the reasons is because of what George Christie says about DeCarlo in this blog-post
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http://www.georgechristie.com/blog
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Please hi-lite Danny DeCarlo.
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Thanks Beauders. I wonder if Tex's parents ever really knew the truth about what he did. When he finally did start talking, he tried to make it look like he was just "there" and it was everyone else's fault. His parents probably went broke paying for his defense. Add 2 more names to the victims lsit of Tex Watson.
ReplyDeleteMon why would Bobby, Mary or Susan tell Tex anything? The impression I get is that Tex was an aloof "come and go as you please" kinda guy. I think the only reason he was even around the ranch right before and after the killings was because he "owed Charlie" for the Lottsapoppa fiasco. Other than that, I can't imagine he was "besties" with anyone there.
And leave Mario alone. He's not hurting you.
Thanks Ms Katie
ReplyDelete👇
"And leave Mario alone. He's not hurting you"
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RG, I'll ask again. Do you have an opinion on why Charlie would chose Cielo Drive and Waverly Drive for these murders?
ReplyDeleteMario, this from Paula WATKINS my life with CM. TEXT, at Charlie's suggestion began construction of a family shelter. Be used Woodstock 2 by course and plywood ripped of from a nearby construction site in the valley. About 15 by 30 . That's pretty big and maybe it was the construction site you remember. Hey do t let anyone like don Murphy bother you. You cheered me up when I got upset about comments made by haters and I really appreciate that you did.
ReplyDeleteBob
Tex,that is.
ReplyDeleteHey Bobby,
ReplyDeleteGREAT INFORMATION
(Construction Site).
WOW, it's very possible that certain Manson Family Members went to the construction site that Charles Manson brought me to and ripped off plywood (15x30).
GREAT STUFF BUDDY.......
It also makes me feel good that I cheered you up....
And remember Bobby.....
..... I'm the keyboard player on the left.....lol
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LOL, I know, I thought you were on drums !. I really believe that folks that want to understand CM should go back and read WATKINS. CM used the exactly the same technique that the monks used to train German shepherds. Try reading them side by side and it is remarkable. Holding a being down with force when they resist and smooth loving talk when they submit. Works o. Dogs why not people ?
ReplyDeleteBob.
I will read the book by Paul Watkins, especially the part about the "Construction Site."
DeleteThanks.
Yep, German Shepherds & People.
"Works on dogs, why not people."
I still would like to have corroboration about
The Fireside Inn in Topanga Canyon where Charles Manson was playing guitar and I was there listening to him. I have not had any CORROBORATION about that yet.
And on a lighter note Bobby, being a keyboard player in many, many bands, I can proudly say in the 14 years of playing
Rock "N" Roll and Country Music, I only fell off my piano bench 3 times.
Let me see ANY keyboard player beat that record....lol
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Katie: Sorry, I missed you asking that earlier.
ReplyDeleteI believe Tex had been to Cielo earlier with Dean Moorehouse when Melcher lived there. He knew the house and I do think scaring Melcher was part of it. It didn't matter if they knew Melcher didn't live there anymore.
Waverly is even closer to Harold True's house than people realize. The LaBianca house had been burglarized prior to the murders and it's possible it was a creepy crawl by the family.
this is all speculation on my part, but I think it makes sense.
RG, I totally agree about Cielo. I think sending Melcher a message that no matter where he was, he wasn't safe was a big part of it. Plus, Manson knew a "movie star" lived there now and what better way to get a lot of media coverage than killing "Hollywood types".
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why he chose Waverly. I know Harold True used to live next door, but I don't think he was living there at the time of the murders. Maybe they did creepy crawl that house, but why decide to kill the LaBiancas? That one I can't figure out.
Do you think Manson knew the Labiancas or had any connections with them in the past?
Mario, you play piano? So do I! Do you read music or play by ear?
ReplyDeleteHey Katie, I can read music, I just can't play it or sing it. LOL. I enjoy listening and admire those who can.
ReplyDeleteMs Katie,
ReplyDeleteYes, I can read music and I can also play by ear.
Here I am in 1982 in a Country & Western band.
I'm the keyboard player on the left
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfD48plyUfE
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Oh how cool!! I wish the video wasn't so dark!
ReplyDeleteB-O-B-B-Y!!! LOLOL!!
Thanks Ms Katie.
ReplyDeleteI know, the video is dark.
That bar, the Deering Inn?
It's how I got to know
Rocky BATEMAN
(OJ Simpson's Regular Limousine Driver)
in a "round about way," and how ROCKY eventually became my nephew-in-law through marriage. ROCKY BATEMAN lived in the "Dark World" for quite a long time, as I also did. And, with "people connections" connected to ROCKY, it's how I "fell into" being told about "happenings" (plural) at SPAHN RANCH when Charles Manson and his Family lived there.
This happened in 1981 after my January, 1969 encounter with Charles Manson.
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Well it looks like Tex and his publishers are trying to cash in on the 50th anniversary. "Will You Die For Me" has been rereleased as "Cease To Exist." As far as I have read the Son Of Sam Law does not apply in California and many other states.
ReplyDeleteCalifornia had a SOS law until it was struck down about 16-17 years ago. The state high court felt that the law was overly broad and violated 1st Amendment rights.
ReplyDeleteSo Tex can get money out rereleasing the book? If he's a real Christian he will donate the proceeds to charity.
ReplyDeleteI think people can still read it for free on his website. Why spend money on it? Or maybe they don't know it's the same book.
ReplyDeleteWell, here’s the thing. If I recall correctly, California passed an SOS II Law, which extended the time in which victims could sue to recover profits from those who profit from their crimes. Kind of an end run around the 1st Amendment protections the California high court earlier recognized. I, for one, am totally fine with that. As is said, necessity is often the mother of invention, even in the legal world.
ReplyDeleteHey Bobby,
ReplyDeleteFrom Paul Watkins book, Chapter 14:
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"Tex, at Charlie’s suggestion, began constructing a Family shelter across the road from Spahn’s, a place to hide and store supplies in case of emergency. Tex worked on that project for several days, using two-by-fours and slabs of plywood ripped off from a nearby off from a nearby construction site in the valley. The shack he built was small (fifteen by twenty feet),"
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Hi Mario, yes that is what I was referring to. Unfortunately there isn't any real location detail for the construction site. It does indicate that they used a nearby construction site which backs up your remembrance. Maybe this will jog a readers memory to help you out.
ReplyDeleteThanks Bobby.
ReplyDeleteI thought about a year ago I had the construction site pretty much pin-pointed, so, since I live in The San Fernando Valley, I took a trip to where I thought the construction site used to be. No Luck. I just couldn't remember. Then I tried another spot. No Luck. I just can't remember. I was very disapointed.
But I will say, this is GREAT CORROBORATION about a construction site pertaining to The Charles Manson Case & Saga.
Perhaps, a former Charles Manson Family Member who was at that construction site will come forward and corroborate.....I know it's wishful thinking, but, one never knows.
Thanks again Bobby.
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Mario/Bobby, remember that map Tex drew that showed an "in case place"? Is that what you're talking about? I'm posting that picture on the thread.
ReplyDeleteI don't know who that picture belongs to, but I'll say thanks to those people so I won't get in trouble like I always do!
Ms Katie, that would be great
ReplyDelete(In case place).
The more information the better.
I do believe that's what Bobby was referring to. Best to get Bobby's confirmation.
Thanks.
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Mario I added that picture of the map to the bottom of this thread. Check it out. Just scroll down to the bottom. Sounds like you're on to something!
ReplyDeleteThat's correct Katie, the just in case place. Seems like Tex also camped out in a tent by himself while at Spain's as well
ReplyDeleteI spoke to soon, the rent spot is also on the map. Thanks Katie
ReplyDeleteTent
ReplyDeleteThanks Ms Katie
ReplyDelete(Map).
Wow, that "In Case Place" is right off of Santa Susanna Pass Road. I took that Pass Road many times, but that started in 1972 when I played in a Rock "N" Roll band in Simi Valley.
I'm thinking that Watson and others must have made several trips to that Construction Site to get enough plywood to build that
"In Case Place."
This is REALLY getting interesting.........
Bobby, Watson camping out in a tent? I'm not sure what has more twists & Turns.
The Charles Manson Case & Saga?
or
The OJ Simpson Case & Saga?
UNREAL.......
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Okay guys, have at it! Sounds like you're onto something. I always wondered what the "in case place" was.
ReplyDeletePeace!
Ms Katie/Bobby,
ReplyDeleteI'm not real schooled in The Charles Manson Case & Saga as I am in The OJ Simpson Case & Saga. But I am learning......
My focus in The Manson Case is really about what was told to me about certain "HAPPENINGS" at SPAHN RANCH when The Charles Manson Family lived there. And now, thanks to Bobby, THE CONSTRUCTION SITE is in play again for me.
The "In Case Place?" I may have an idea some of what was kept in there, based on what has been told to me. I don't believe it was all for JUST-IN-CASE.
I'm going to take this slow. Those dune buggies, motorcycle parts, Mexico, drugs,ect..? There's a lot more than meets the eye,
so to speak.
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Okay I removed that map because it didn't have anything to do with RG's book.
ReplyDeleteSorry about going off topic. My apology RG. Your book looks great.
ReplyDeleteBob
That's okay Bobby. You can talk about anything you want!! :)
ReplyDeleteThanks Bobby!
ReplyDeleteH-E-L-L-O....
ReplyDeleteReminds me of Jello! LOL
Hi Kimchi!
ReplyDeleteH-E-L-L-O, will now remind me of jello and Kimchi and auto spell turns Kimchi to lunch I.
ReplyDeleteHope all is well.
Hi Kimchi!
ReplyDeleteHello Mario,
ReplyDeleteI responded to your email.
Please check your inbox.
Thanks LynyrdSkynyrd,
DeleteI got it.
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Lynyrd when you show up, everyone stops talking. You're scarier than me. LOL.
ReplyDeleteRG, you didn't answer my last question. Do you think that Charlie:
ReplyDelete(1) knew Leno LaBianca in some form? Either by personal meeting of some sort or by accident in dealing with "below board" financial actions or "mafia related" punishment actions or
(2) knew he would be the "future neighbor" of Harold True or
(3) picked Leno because he was tired of driving around and people in the car bitching because they had been driving around for hours and he hadn't picked anyone to kill yet?
Cielo Drive could correct me on this, but I THINK that Harold True moved out in October or November of 1968, and the LaBiancas moved into Mama's home in December of 1968.
ReplyDeleteSo they were never next door neighbors. Cielo Drive, if you're out there, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh BTW, Beauders have you watched The Bold and the Beautiful lately? As predicted, Thomas is sitting around without a shirt.
ReplyDeleteThat guy must have had it written in his contract to have 95% of his shots without a shirt. What is he showing off? His bod isn't that great to take the show over.
Katie:
ReplyDeleteRG, you didn't answer my last question. Do you think that Charlie:
(1) knew Leno LaBianca in some form? Either by personal meeting of some sort or by accident in dealing with "below board" financial actions or "mafia related" punishment actions or
No I don't
(2) knew he would be the "future neighbor" of Harold True or
No
(3) picked Leno because he was tired of driving around and people in the car bitching because they had been driving around for hours and he hadn't picked anyone to kill yet?
Again I think its possible their house was creepy crawled. There had been burglaries at the LaBianca house leading up to the murders. The creepy crawls were once for fun but had turned into a way to get money to move to the desert. I think they were familiar with the area, and wound up there.
Totally random, didn't matter who it was, just wanted to create copy cat murders to spring Bobby from jail
I tend to agree about them being familiar with the area RG. My personal opinion is that Charlie decided to go to Harold True's house and kill those people, but when he found out True wasn't living there, just decided to go next door to the LaBiancas.
ReplyDeleteBut I've also often thought it was strange that Charlie seemed to drive around aimlessly for hours, then suddenly drove straight to a location. I've wondered if Rosemary's daughter Suzanne was somehow involved. Although that theory is quite a stretch.
Yes Katie I have been watch B&B and have noticed that even though Thomas has destroyed several lives he is keeping his shirt off to show off his chest. Since soaps are mainly watched by women I guess the creators think a look at a good looking guys chest only adds to a soaps appeal.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree. On today's episode, Brook pushes Thomas off a cliff!! And Ridge looks mad! HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
ReplyDeleteHopefully Thomas will die or spend time in a coma and Douglas can be adopted by Hope.
ReplyDeleteDouglas is the best actor on the show. He'll be the President of Forrester in a couple of years. LOL.
ReplyDeleteI think you’re right Katie. Maybe Steffie will get custody of Douglas and that will help with her grief.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking of doing a thread on Jay. I wish I had the time that I used to have for this stuff!
ReplyDeleteOh Beauders, I think Thomas was faking. He "woke up today" to deliver a bash to Brooke.
ReplyDeleteKatie, shootings keep happening in Texas are you and your family ok?
ReplyDeleteYes we're fine Beauders. Thanks for asking!
ReplyDeleteHelter Skelter was NOT a Bugliosi invention.
ReplyDeleteLONG BEFORE Bugliosi got involved... LONG BEFORE the Manson Family was even implicated in the Tate / Labianca murders... people were talking about Manson's obsession with Helter Skelter. Listen to Paul Crockett's attempt to warn Inyo County (Death Valley) police on Oct. 3rd 1969 about Manson's Helter Skelter rants. There are police tapes in two parts on YouTube. That being said, I don't think Manson's personal motive was Helter Skelter. That was just a cover story, and the Bug ran with it. But Manson was ranting about it for months.
I personally don't believe much in the HS theory and think it goes further. Manson was a provocateur and probably think it was funny what people thought and still think about his motivations and his gang. He formed a well-known circle with show business in which there was exchange of favors, drugs and sex. He was in a scene where they underestimated him. In his mind he knew how everything would trigger after the massacre escalation in LA, as it would get media attention (so the thing of guiding "Leave something witchy")
ReplyDeleteAll this generated notoriety and during the trial it is clear his satisfaction. And yet there was Terry Melcher that infuriated Manson and Manson wanted to leave a warning...A big, bloody, violent warning and whatever came with it would all be profit for Manson himself. He wanted to make an impact and the respective crime scenes were made with refinement of brutality with this purpose in mind, Manson's followers were the actors and he the director. And this was his particular revolution that to this day leads to a fascination of some troubled people who if they were young at that time would have the desire to be part of and elevate to a cult status.