My name is Anthony DiMaria- nephew of Jay Sebring, who was killed in the Manson murders on August 8, 1969.
I have been asked by Lou Smaldino, nephew of Leno LaBianca, to speak as a LaBianca family representative.
To be clear, our families involvement in these hearings has nothing to do with feelings of anger, revenge or hatred towards Leslie Van Houten. Rather, we come out of love to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.
The
victim’s families present today have attended dozens of parole hearings
regarding Leslie Van Houten’s crimes and crimes of the Manson family.
For nearly half a century- death sentences, legislation, defense
attorneys and commissioners- have come and gone.
Yet what remains, is- Leslie Van Houten, her victims, our families.
On
July 27, 2017 the Los Angeles Times reported a shift in THE NEW ERA FOR
CALIFORNIA’S PAROLE BOARD stating that Parole Board Executive Officer
Jennifer Shaffer “has been at the helm of major initiatives…spurred by
court cases and state laws, that have developed new processes to speed
up and increase parole hearings, as well as release young and elderly
offenders…that approach is part of a pendulum swing in California,
coming after decades of tough sentencing policies that lead to
overflowing prisons and a court ordered cap on the state inmate
population.”
-But
today, we are not here to enforce prison population caps or balance
California state budget. We are here because Leslie Van Houten killed
people.
Part of what continues to disrupt and impact our families are these endless parole hearings and what occurs in them.
In today's, and previous parole hearings – there has been much discussion of drug influence, mind control, threat to society, rehabilitation and suitability of parole.
We appreciate the opportunity to address these issues.
Just
as the Manson clan collectively conspired, targeted, subdued, held
hostage, butchered, mutilated and taunted society as a crime
conglomerate- so too our families are bound by collective loss and
suffering.
We stand for justice together, just as the Manson clan
killed together.
We
must acknowledge Steven Parent, Abigail Folger, Woytech
Frykowski, Jay Sebring, Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and Donald Shea in these proceedings today, because had Ms. Van Houten contacted authorities after Leslie’s boyfriend/husband, Robert Beausiliel, murdered Gary Hinman on July 27, 1969- we wouldn’t be in this room today…and ten people would have lived their lives fully.
Frykowski, Jay Sebring, Sharon Tate, her unborn child, and Donald Shea in these proceedings today, because had Ms. Van Houten contacted authorities after Leslie’s boyfriend/husband, Robert Beausiliel, murdered Gary Hinman on July 27, 1969- we wouldn’t be in this room today…and ten people would have lived their lives fully.
Ms. Van Houten and her attorneys would have you believe the inmate’s crimes occurred exclusively in a vacuum at the LaBianca residence. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. Ms. Van Houten shared
the intentions and full knowledge of Manson "family" criminal activity
for months leading up to the killings. At a recent parole hearing, Ms.
Van Houten's attorney states, "We are talking about one night of
horrible violence in her life when she was clearly not in her right
mind.” This is a misstatement of gargantuan disconnect and
minimization.
Last
year, Ms. Van Houten’s present attorney Richard Pfeiffer states
“There’s no doubt that if the word ‘Manson’ was not involved in her
crimes, she would have been paroled 20 years ago.”
I
wonder, does it occur to anyone who shares this sentiment, that the
word “Manson” has become synonymous with evil worldwide because of
Leslie Van Houten’s actions?… and her perverted behavior during the
trial?
Leslie
Van Houten is a prime and prominent butcher in one of the most
notorious killing organizations in United States history. This is not by
association, this is directly due to the inmate’s inhumane actions and
behavior.
REGARDING DRUG AND MANSON INFLUENCE-
At hearings in 2006 and 2007, Ms. Van Houten's attorney
Christie Webb asserted her client was rendered mentally incapacitated from chronic LSD abuse and Manson control. Ms. Webb states, "Leslie was vulnerable and she was controlled by drugs and Manson's brainwashing…All that LSD changed the chemistry of her brain.” At the petitioner's 2010 parole hearing, her then attorney, Brandie Devall states, "It is abundantly clear that Ms. Van Houten has never used drugs as a crutch or a reason to justify this life crime.” Then, the flip flop at last year’s hearing:
Christie Webb asserted her client was rendered mentally incapacitated from chronic LSD abuse and Manson control. Ms. Webb states, "Leslie was vulnerable and she was controlled by drugs and Manson's brainwashing…All that LSD changed the chemistry of her brain.” At the petitioner's 2010 parole hearing, her then attorney, Brandie Devall states, "It is abundantly clear that Ms. Van Houten has never used drugs as a crutch or a reason to justify this life crime.” Then, the flip flop at last year’s hearing:
PRESIDING COMMISSIONER ZARRINNAM: You said drugs played a role. You wouldn't have committed these crimes but for the drugs?
INMATE VAN HOUTEN: No. No. I wouldn't have committed them.[pp.119 LL 19-23]
Today, she says Manson used LSD to “indoctrinate” her.
These
contradictions made in distant, and close, proximity of each other,
gives one pause to realize genuine accountability gives way to tactical
strategy.
Regardless,
consider Dr. Barbara Fries MD, Senior Examiner for the Board of
Neurology and Psychiatry- "It is not defensible to say Leslie Van Houten
was influenced immediately, or chronically changed, by LSD. No drug has
ever produced a sustained psychotic state that cause a person to carry
out organized activity – as in these murders – with regard to the
planning, the targeting, murdering, painting messages in blood- not to
mention escaping capture and hiding from authorities. Psychedelic drugs
and speed do not make people do psychotic deeds."
“Psychedelic drugs and speed do not make people do psychotic deeds.”
ON MANSON-
Attorney
Devall referred to Manson as a "master manipulator" who [QUOTE] "...had
a knack for finding lost, young people and manipulating them." [END
QUOTE] For
decades our families are impacted as certain facets of media have
fashioned a narrative on Manson and the so called "Family". But in light
of the historical destruction of these crimes, it is imperative that we
see things for what they are-
The so called "family" was not a cult. It was a group of people who chose to avoid work, have indiscriminate
sex and get high. But in the months leading to Ms. Van Houten’s murders
August 10, 1969, they committed extensive crimes involving:
drug trafficking
credit card fraud
grand auto theft
prostitution
pimping
extortion
and child molestation at Spawn Ranch (revealed at inmate Krenwinkel’s last hearing p.208, LL 18-20)
Then, the torture murder of Gary Hinman.
Then, the drug deal burn of Bernard Crowe.
Days later, the attempted murder of Mr. Crowe after he was shot in the chest.
August 8- the murders of six people on Cielo Drive.
August 10- the murders of two people on Waverly Drive.
August 28- the murder Donald Shea.
Numerous attempts to frame African Americans for murder
September 9, 1970 the attempted murder of Barbara Hoyt.
August 21, 1971 the robbery of firearms from a supply store and subsequent shootout with 30 police officers in Hawthorne.
September 5, 1975 the attempted assassination of United States President Gerald Ford.
There
is no hippie cult. These are not exploited, brainwashed teens. This is
an extremely sophisticated, deadly crime organization.
Charles
Manson is not a mastermind, or a counter culture demigod with mystical
powers to control. He is an angry, frustrated man who lashed out at a
society in which he was a complete failure.
Leslie
Van Houten is not a Charles Manson “follower”. Nor is she a victim.
She, too, was an angry individual who identified with an organization
bent on mayhem, rebellion and destruction. Her zealous loyalty, choices
and actions for nearly two years clearly define her as as a cruel
hearted sociopath. A killer.
Even
Manson family member Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme states, "To blame it on
Manson is just silly... These women could come and go as they wished.
This was a voluntary unity.”
IS LESLIE VAN HOUTEN A THREAT TO SOCIETY?
I
sadly call to your attention the murder of 16-year-old Jason Sweeny.
The Pennsylvania teenager was killed by four teenagers, ages 15-17. The
weapons used to massacre the young man were a hammer, a hatchet and
several large rocks. At one point during the attack the hammer was
struck so severely it remained stuck in the victim's scull while he
continued to struggle for life.
During the trial, the teenaged killers testified listening to "Helter Skelter" over and over for several hours before committing the
murder. "Helter Skelter". The same words written in blood on a wall at Leslie Van Houten's crime scene. Judge Seamus McCaffrey, after viewing Jason Sweeney's crime scene photos said, "This is something out of the Dark Ages. I'm not sure we can call ourselves a civilized society when this happens."
murder. "Helter Skelter". The same words written in blood on a wall at Leslie Van Houten's crime scene. Judge Seamus McCaffrey, after viewing Jason Sweeney's crime scene photos said, "This is something out of the Dark Ages. I'm not sure we can call ourselves a civilized society when this happens."
I bring to your attention that 3 of the 4 teenagers were sentenced to life without possibility of parole.
Is
there anyone in this room that would suggest that these convicted
teenagers will be paroled after 20 years?… even though the word Manson
was NOT involved in their crimes?
Prosecuting
District Attorney, Jude Conroy, states, "It is really amazing that
teenagers in Philadelphia, Memorial Day weekend, is attuned to the whole
HelterSkelter and Manson mythology. It's a sad testament to the
twisted, brutal legacy the Manson murders have left behind such that
attracts 15, 16, 17 year olds. Forty years later. 3,000 miles across the
country. It is a powerful legacy."
The threat of Leslie Van Houten and her crimes to society- direct, symbolic and repercussive- is current and deadly.
LESLIE VAN HOUTEN IN THE MEDIA
It’s
no coincidence the teenaged murderers of Jason Sweeny were excited and
inspired by HELTER SKELTER lore. Ms. Van Houten’s crimes have left a
historical wound on American culture.
Her
decisions and behavior have profound consequences- and are the reason
the murderer today- is perceived by many, as a rock star killer.
If there is any question of this reality, I submit the following:
These
films produced in recent years- LESLIE, MY NAME IS EVIL (2009),
BLEEDING HEARTS (2015), MANSON’S LOST GIRLS (2016), PRETTY FACE (2016),
BIGGER THAN THE BEATLES (2017) - all depictions in which Ms. Van Houten
is portrayed as a lead ingenue character.
There also is a Facebook page titled “FREE LESLIE VAN HOUTEN 2017” with 1,150 followers worldwide and the website leslievanhouten.com where
a line of LESLIE VAN HOUTEN T-shirts are sold on the internet. I submit
these, and other, samples from the internet for your reference.
This is not random. The inmate has been active in a wide variety of media formats throughout her incarceration.
There are book interviews with Michael Farquhar, Nicky Meredith, Carlene Faith and Jeff Guinn.
An internet search reveals Leslie’s television interviews with:
Barbara Walters (1977)
Barbara Walters (1987)
Diane Sawyer ABC (1993)
Larry King CNN (1994)
Larry King CNN (2002)
film director John Waters (2009)
At
a recent hearing, Commissioner Jeffrey Ferguson asked Ms. Van Houten
“What do you think your obstacles are going to be once you’re released?”
Her answer: “Maintaining anonymity.”
I can certainly understand why.
ON THE NATURE AND GRAVITY OF MS. VAN HOUTEN'S CRIMES-
At
a recent hearing, Leslie Van Houten stated that she accepts
responsibility for what she termed [QUOTE] "superficial, post mortem
wounds" {END QUOTE] to Rosemary LaBianca. This statement is shocking and
alarming, especially when we consider it was made after years of
reflection and rehabilitation. It is deplorable to candy coat this in
any way whatsoever…yesterday. Today. Ever.
The first fatal blow occurred at the hands of Leslie Van Houten when
she held Rosemary LaBianca hostage and prepared her for slaughter.
The next fatal blow was dealt at the hands of Leslie Van Houten when she wrestled her victim to the ground as she attempted to escape. The next fatal blow, when she called out for Watson and Krenwinkel to slaughter her victim. The next fatal blow when she restrained Rosemary's arms as she was stabbed dozens of times. Then, stab 1. Stab 2. Stab 3. Stab 4... Stab 18.
The next fatal blow was dealt at the hands of Leslie Van Houten when she wrestled her victim to the ground as she attempted to escape. The next fatal blow, when she called out for Watson and Krenwinkel to slaughter her victim. The next fatal blow when she restrained Rosemary's arms as she was stabbed dozens of times. Then, stab 1. Stab 2. Stab 3. Stab 4... Stab 18.
There is not one thing about this inmate's crimes that are "superficial" or "post mortem”.
ON REHABILITATION-
To be clear, we certainly do not discount Ms. Van Houten's accomplishments
behind bars. They are commendable.
But in comparison to the severe, grave dimensions of her crimes- the diplomas, letters and certificates become paper…
But in comparison to the severe, grave dimensions of her crimes- the diplomas, letters and certificates become paper…
…and
yet, after nearly 50 years of rehabilitation Leslie made a revealing,
disturbing statement just last year at her hearing. It involves the word
“allowed”. She said, “I hope you’re not understanding that I know it’s
my responsibility that I allowed this to happen to me.” [p.65 LL23-24]
“…
that it’s my responsibility that I ALLOWED this to HAPPEN to ME.”
That’s a helluva way to characterize these crimes. Today she says, “I
take responsibility for what I ALLOWED Manson to do to us.”
But
it reveals who the individual is and how she minimizes her crimes. So
what is it? Minimization or sociopathic revisionism? Or both. That
statement is the cunning manipulation of a sociopath.
I’m
struck that Ms. Van Houten becomes emotional in this hearing
reminiscing on when she quoted Revelation passages to Charles Manson…
and yet not one tear as she discusses her victims, her crimes and how
her victims suffered.
Leslie
Van Houten and her attorneys assert that Ms. Van Houten is a changed,
rehabilitated individual. One attorney states, "Ms. Van Houten is the
most modeled prisoner in the system and has been for a long, long
time... She cannot change her offenses, but she has changed herself.”
While
the petitioner and her attorneys maintain Leslie Van Houten has
changed, Leno and Rosemary La Bianca remain unchanged.
Unrehabilitated. Unparolled. And they will remain so for eternity.
They are just as dead today as the night Leslie Van Houten sent them to their graves.
Unrehabilitated. Unparolled. And they will remain so for eternity.
They are just as dead today as the night Leslie Van Houten sent them to their graves.
From
the LA Times article referenced at the beginning of this statement,
“Parole Executive Officer Jennifer Shaffer describes the changing
philosophies in recent California hearings as a shift from “You did
what? Tell me about the crime” to “Who were you then?
Who are you today and what’s the difference?”
Who are you today and what’s the difference?”
-These are relevant questions. So I ask the same…. to those most impacted by Leslie Van Houten-
“Rosemary
LaBianca, who were you before August 10,1969? Who
are you today? And what’s the difference…What’s the difference of spending a peaceful Sunday evening with your husband and being held against your will with a cord thrown around your neck, hood over your head, hearing your husband slaughtered in the next room…with a butcher knife? How does it feel to know you too, will be restrained, and stabbed 41 times?”
are you today? And what’s the difference…What’s the difference of spending a peaceful Sunday evening with your husband and being held against your will with a cord thrown around your neck, hood over your head, hearing your husband slaughtered in the next room…with a butcher knife? How does it feel to know you too, will be restrained, and stabbed 41 times?”
“Leno,
where were you on August 10, 1969? Where are you now? What’s the
difference?…Tell us, how does it feel to have carving instruments shoved
into your abdomen and throat over two dozen times? What’s the
difference living fifty
years with your children- playing with your grandson Tony, your grandchildren, your nephew Lou, great grandchildren… or lying mutilated and dead eighteen thousand, two hundred fifty days in a cold, black coffin? Who were you then? Who are you today? What’s the difference?”
years with your children- playing with your grandson Tony, your grandchildren, your nephew Lou, great grandchildren… or lying mutilated and dead eighteen thousand, two hundred fifty days in a cold, black coffin? Who were you then? Who are you today? What’s the difference?”
Tell us Leno. Tell us Rosemary.
How can we make amends for Leslie Van Houten, when none of us can make amends for her dead?
After her conviction in 1971, petitioner Van Houten defiantly said, “Your whole system is a game. You blind, stupid people.”
Commissioner Brian Roberts, Commissioner Pomerantz-
Today you will determine how prophetic this statement is.
Considering
the profound gravity of her crimes, the cruel and sadistic nature, the
unspeakable suffering of her victims, the permanent loss to our
families, the poisonous repercussions of her crimes to society even
today, the inexplicable disconnected minimization exhibited in her
statements and the behavioral evidence defining an entrenched sociopath
despite decades of rehabilitation –
it is only just to deny parole to Leslie Van Houten for the longest
period of time permitted by law…the longest period of time permitted by
law.
58 comments:
Thanks Venus and thanks Anthony!!
I've gotta work early in the morning so I'm heading out. I'll be back tomorrow to talk about all this.
Great stuff!!
Thanks for this, Venus.
Great stuff, Anthony sure has a way with words, im sure his uncle would be proud
Anthony makes a lot of great points in this statement that show that Leslie is NOT fit for release on society.
Anthony mentions the fact that California is letting a lot of these inmates out because of prison overcrowding.
Susan mentioned the same thing on the last thread, including the fact that a prisoner who was released committed another murder.
Overcrowding can't be a criteria for releasing dangerous criminals. If there aren't enough places to "bed down", then make them all bunk together!
Theres always room for especially brutal cases, Ramirez, Kraft, Kemper, Tex, etc
Susan, too bad Ramirez is dead. I'd like to see him and Tex bunk together! They had a lot in common.
Maybe Tex can bunk down with the Mendendez brothers. They might give Tex new info that he missed the first time!
Or maybe Tex can bunk down with Scott Peterson. He might give Tex some new pointers.
Can you imagine Tex, Bruce & Bobby sharing a cell? I'd love to hear the fighting going on there! HA HA HA.
Hahaha a "man of God" and an avowed devil worshipper together
Tex: (To Bobby) Would you stop playing that horrible guitar, you're the one who got us into this!
Bobby: Shut the fuck up.
Bruce: I hate both y'all. If it wasn't for y'all I'd still be in that Scientology place learnin' stuff about how to control folks.
Tex: Oh yeah, you're so righteous. Didn't you kill Joel Pugh?
Bruce: Not unless I can disappear like "Clear Clem".
Tex: I know your game, you act all righteous until you think someone will believe your ass. Good luck!
Bobby: I told you to shut the fuck up! I'm trying to do a "G" chord here.
Tex: You think you're tough, but you're just a pussy.
Bobby: Oh yeah, come at me!
Tex: You couldn't bust up a paper bag you bitch.
Bruce: Charlie liked me best! That's why I came back.
Tex: Charlie hated you and Bobby. He said you were babies.
Bobby: Charlie loved me best. We played together.
Bruce: Charlie loved me best, I drove him around to kill folks.
Tex: Charlie loved me best because he picked me for Helter Skelter.
All: AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Charlie loved me best!!!! I'll kill you. Try it. Okay. You missed.
HA HA.
Katie have you ever seen that clip of Bobbys Simple Man performance? The guitar was decent but whoever told him he had a good voice was tone deaf lol, it sounded worse than fingernails on a chalkboard
I wonder if Scotty boy has found a new girlfriend online, i remember seeing something on that show Lockup i think and they were ar San Quentin and they were talking to a few inmates in general population and they were talking about how bad they wanted to get a shot at Scott, seems as if he was a real marked man in there
Susan, everything I've heard Bobby play was like a "fingernail on a blackboard"!
I'm sure Skippy has found lots of girlfriends. Why is he not DEAD YET?
I would post one of Bobby's songs, but I don't want to dis Anthony. I'll do that next thread.
Note to myself: Put up Bobby's music and make everyone sick.
Lol he took an all time classic tune and absolutely butchered it and to think he had the audacity to criticize Charlies music in that Truman Capote interview, Charlie blows the doors off Bobby and that aint saying much
Yeah that ain't saying much. I think the only people who like Charlie's music are people that just like him period.
He wasn't a musician. Neither is Bobby. They're both bogus anti-musicians.
They should both be sound backups for some lame band in the 60's. You know, the guys in the back with a backup flute, a snare drum or some spoons.
Neither Charlie nor Bobby has any musical talent. They both SUCK!
The proof is in the pudding. Neither of them was "discovered" and made it big! Because they both SUCKED!
The next thread I do is gonna be about this "music". LOL.
Like Melcher and Dennis Wilson and even Greg Jakobsen said, Charlie just wasnt that talented, he was an ok guitar player but that was it
If you you listen to his "music" it's like listening to a tone deaf guy wailing around and strumming a guitar without knowing anything about melody or harmony or how to read music.
Reminds me of some others. It's PUTRID!
I like 2 songs off Charlie's "LIE" album:
"Look at Your Game Girl" and "Sick City".
"Watch TV and drink your beer..."
Classic lyrics.
I also like 4 songs off the "Family Jams" album.
I listen to it, occasionally.
These 4 songs are actually very good:
"Ra-Hide Away!"
"Get on Home"
"I'll Never Say Never to Always"
"Look at Your Love"
These other 2 songs aren't too bad (i.e., Honorable Mention):
"No Wrong-Come Along"
(This song is alright, if you can get past the borderline satanic lyrics)
"First They Made Me Sleep in the Closet"
(This song is pretty cool, until it morphs into a weird story about scratching peace signs into someone's tombstone. LOL)
I'm not sure how much credit to give Manson for the "Family Jams" album though, because he's not even on it.
Grogan plays the guitar, and sings-along with the girls.
Grogan's guitar skills (at that point in his development) are nothing special (he just kinda hacks-away at chords), and I don't really care for his voice at all... but truth be told, the songs listed above are very nicely arranged, and the girls voices sound great.
Four good songs, and two mediocre songs (on one album) may not sound like much... but really, how many well-regarded albums have more than 4 good songs on them?
Personally, I think the "Family Jams" album is pretty decent.
My 2 cents...
Just for shits and giggles:
If you could drop Grogan and replace him with a professional male guitarist/singer... (say Lindsay Buckingham or Eric Clapton?)... and have a professional "Producer/Arranger" work with the girls... the album could have been fucking phenomenal!
In my opinion, Grogan was the weak link on that album.
4-5 of the songs are great, and the girls sounded "pissa".
I find Manson and his minions just as distasteful as the next blogger, but if you're gonna do a review on their music, you gotta be honest about it.
Some of their music, is really not THAT bad...
Lol compared to what? Maybe compared to the complete shit thats out today ok but compared to their contemporaries they sound like monkeys at the zoo banging on bongos lol
I agree on Look at your game girl, that one wasnt bad
Susan said:
"They sound like monkeys at the zoo banging on bongos lol"
Manson's "Lie" album had 14 tracks on it.
Your assessment is accurate for 11-12 of those tracks.
The vast majority of the songs (on that album) are absolutely brutal.
And yes... the percussion is horrible... even laughable.
But notwithstanding, "Look at Your Game Girl" and "Sick City" actually have some merit.
"Big Iron Door" is the only other track that is marginal.
So yeah... I agree with you, for the most part.
Most of the tracks blow, and I was pretty disappointed with my purchase (from that standpoint).
As for the "Family Jams" album, I have to respectfully disagree with you.
I've listened to my "FJ" album many times, and I've enjoyed it.
I consider it a legitimate part of my music collection, and I've never regretted the purchase price.
Minute for minute, I've actually spent more time listening to my "FJ" album, than my Joan Baez double Album.
You have to assess the "FJ" album, for what it is.
It's a very stripped-down situation.
Barring 1 track (where Gypsy plays some violin), and another track which includes some very brief rudimentary bass guitar, it's just Clem playing rhythm on an acoustic guitar and lots of vocals.
It's basically a camp fire sing-along... nothing more, nothing less.
And for a camp fire sing-a-long, it's the best I've heard.
You can't compare the "FJ" album to Lynyrd Skynyd playing multiple blazing guitars, a keyboard, bass, full drum kit, and Marshall amps stacked to the moon.
If you do, you'll obviously be disappointed.
That's just my two cents.
Of course, music appreciation is very subjective, and you're under no obligation to agree with me.
If you've ever tried to write your own original song, it's a very humbling experience, and that's why, I give the "FJ" album (and 2 songs off the "Lie" album) some props.
Truth be told Susan, my commentary was actually directed at Katie.
I know she's never even listened to the entire "FJ" album... she doesn't even own a copy.
Yet, she has no problem bashing it, just because she hates the Manson Family.
I just don't subscribe to that mindset.
If you're going to critique an album, you have to at least listen to it (in it's entirety).
If you're going to critique a book, you have to at least read it (in it's entirety).
And if you're going to critique anything at all, you have to separate your personal feelings for the performer/author, and make an objective assessment, or why bother?
For what it's worth, I've played some Charles Manson and "Manson Family Jams" music for knowledgable musicians in the past without telling them who the artist(s) were, and believe it or not, I got some positive feedback.
It was my version of the "blind taste test".
Of course, after I told them who it was, they were shocked.
As for Bobby's music, I've only listened to about 120 seconds of it (total).
I "dropped the needle" on probably 4-5 songs, for a half a minute each.
Let's just say, what I did hear was terrible, and I had no interest in hearing any more.
I can't comment beyond that.
Okay... end of diatribe.
Feel free to agree or disagree.
That's just my personal opinion.
Actually the entire FJ collection is on youtube so ill have to give it a closer listen, given that youre an obvious Lynyrd Skynard fan what is your opinion of Bobbys rendition of Simple Man?
Susan, zoo monkeys banging on bongos...that's the funniest thing you've said yet! LOL. Maybe the truest, too. Haha
Hi Susan,
At your request, I listened to the following song:
https://youtu.be/jIaPUThTA2c
Let me start by saying, you owe me 8 minutes and 44 seconds of my life back.
Bobby's vocals were simply horrible.
I mean, they were embarrassingly bad.
On a scale of 1-10... it would be hard to justify giving him a one.
His guitar playing was very mediocre.
He obviously memorized the main riff. (It's a necessity).
Beyond that, his solo was a simple pentatonic scale.
And even as "pent solos" go, it was executed with average skill.
I'd give his guitar playing a 4 (out of 10).
The overall performance sucked monkey balls, compared to the real Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Fuck...
I need to hear the real Lynyrd Skynyrd now, to get those fucking vocals out of my head.
Susan,
If I can't get Bobby's vocals out of my head, and "Simple Man" is forever ruined for me, you're fucking banned, LOL
Just bustin' ya Bro, but that was fucking brutal.
THIS is how you perform LIVE for 9 minutes!
https://youtu.be/SY63KTMrkTM
Hell yeah...
I don't have to hear every song that Charlie or Bobby ever sang to know how much they SUCK! Bobby can't carry a tune in a bucket and Charlie's lyrics don't make any sense, just like the way he talks.
And how is Bobby on stage playing guitar? What is that, a prison or a dance hall?
Hahaha like a bunch of cats in an alley
Lol i told you it was bad...worse than bad
The more you listen the more you realize Melcher, Wilson and Jakobsen had to be in it for the girls, a 7 year old could tell you none of them had any musical talent, theyre just plain bad
Its a prison show
Like Harold True said about Charlie "and Terry Melcher told him he couldnt make shit with a voice for record albums" lol
Hi Susan,
Yeah...
That Harold True interview is a scream!
It's freakin' hilarious!
It's on the blog here:
http://www.lsb3.com/2011/08/seriously-friends.html
"Them fucking fruitcakes couldn't pour piss out of a boot, with the bottom written on it". LMAO!!!
"Look... I'm no idiot... I got a college degree... and I know a few little fucking things about life, and law, and myself... and I know people when they're nuts". Ahahahaha!
"You can't ascribe reason to crazy people". LOL
If you read the comments section on that thread, you'll see that we had a ton of fun with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykH_ZQhYeMs&index=5&list=PL794CAF086D1165A4
Here's a song from Family Jams. If you can even understand the lyrics they're scary and disturbing. The sound is awful. The singing is more like talking. They can't seem to sing or carry a tune at all.
They even get little girls to talk, which is even scarier, knowing that they were molested.
The voices are monophonic and the chords seem to be repetitive. How is this good stuff?
Clem probably had a gun to those little girls' heads to make them magpie. Or something more disgusting but a lot smaller and more revolting. LOL.
Clem & Roman have a lot in common. They've both been to the same places....
Lol how about "oh Krenwinkel man...she carries her brains in a lunch box" or when he starts talking to her "is there any money in it for me? Well then forget it" or "If she knew the guy shed have been on that big black bus wit da rest a dem yahoos"
Two more i like are "and im goin to school tellin psychiatrists about this guy and theyre tellin me im full of shit because no one like Charlie Manson exists and im tellin them youre fucked up and youre lucky hes not selling Fords" and about Linda "and she no more knows the Labiancas then fuckin Adolf Hitler and uh Shameer (i think he means Shimon) Peres are brothers" lol
Lol the child molester section of Vacaville?
Do you smoke?
Well...
You can go down to that Indian Reservation and start blowing smoke signals, cuz that's where you'll find'em"
LOL!
Interviewer:
"We've got some things that don't fly".
Harold:
"That one don't. It's a lead fucking balloon".
LOL
Lol i love right after he says that she goes "ok", also love the way he sounds like hes hiding some secret "Joe Krieger?........yeah......"
"Especially that scum of the earth Boogaloosee man......he booked me and threw my ass in jail for murder man....how did you get out? I got a good fuckin lawyer thats how i got out, told em to shove it up their ass" lol
I agree.
The "Boo-ga-loosi" thing is classic. LOL
"That, scum of the earth, Boogalooosi..."
Lmao!
Lol "If i produced a picture of Suzan would you be willing to take a look at it? No.
"Look lady, this was twenty years ago".
"You ever throw a party with 300 people, and remember EVERYONE that was there??"
LOL
"Hows it going?"
"Why ask?"
"Because you sound tired and if you didnt want to talk i can certainly understand that"
"What do you want?"
Lol
Harold True was/is a real character in a story full of characters, is he still alive? I think he was sick when Nelson made the recording. Too much partying in the 60's according to Bill.
Pretty sure he died in 2013, i think that recording was around 89-90, i think it was around Texs 1990 parole hearing when Suzan popped up wasnt it?
Hey Marliese (or anyone else interested), off subject for a sec.
Do you think Betty Broderick was a victim of her husband's abuse, or is she just a bitch that was mad because she didn't get her way and committed the ultimate revenge against him?
I think it was a little of both. I believe that Dan Broderick's strong ego clashed with Betty's fragile self-image, as well as her mental illness. She is a classic woman scorned, but in no way was she a victim, she is a murderer, nothing more.
Dill I agree. I think Dan used his legal skills against her in some instances, but I definitely think she was mentally ill. Dan & Linda should have known that when she drove her car into their house. The fact that they didn't have an alarm set on their front door is amazing to me, given that she'd been harassing them for months.
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