Ok, admit it, that's a great title, huh?
But, seriously folks, why is it that whenever this guy's name is
mentioned, all we hear about is "oh he was kinky," "he liked to tie up
women" and so on.
DOES IT MATTER????? I , for one, think it does NOT matter. I
firmly believe that whatever you do in your bedroom, the back seat of
your car, on the kitchen table, is YOUR business. By all accounts
(many women were interviewed), none had any complaints so if they
didn't care, why should we?
I've never heard that he forced anyone to play any of these games,
it was all consensual. Isn't that the name of the game? It was
CONSENSUAL. They were in agreement. Therefore, why should we care?
Why should his bedroom exploits seem to be all that is talked about?
It's always the first thing that is mentioned. I'm tired of it.
From all the comments that I've heard, he was a great guy. His
family and friends all loved him and still miss him. That is what
matters to me.
Submitted by Venus! Thanks Venus!!
Submitted by Venus! Thanks Venus!!
Consensual.
ReplyDeleteWhere have I heard that word before?
I'm not in the business of judging the character of people, that I've never met.
ReplyDeleteJay could have been the nicest guy in the world.
He could have been a complete f#cking asshole.
I have no idea.
I never met the man, and I know very little about him.
Jay died a horrific death at the hands of criminals, and he was considered a great hair stylist.
That's all I've got.
Beyond that, I have no opinion.
Peace...
He certainly "looks" like a nice guy.
ReplyDeleteWhatever, that sentiment is worth...
Thanks Venus!
ReplyDeleteYou see Roman & Jay yucking it up in these pics, but Roman's first order of business after the murders was to cast aspersions on Jay because he owed his dentist money. What are friends for?
Some people like to say Jay was a drug dealer, but I don't see any evidence of that.
Me neither, Katie. I have no idea what his amount of drug use was. Many people are social drinkers. If they're around people who are drinking beer, they'll have one. Maybe Jay was the same way about drugs. What I do know is this. For someone who was supposedly such a coke/pothead, there were NO traces found in his system during his autopsy. To me, that says a lot. Wouldn't an addict (as some have claimed he was) have some in his system?
ReplyDeleteAs I've said before, I've had contact with people who knew him. None of them have had anyting bad to say about him. I think that says a LOT.
Lynyrd, LOL at your first post and I knnow exactly what you're referring to. The difference is that this involved consenting adults!
ReplyDeleteKatie, yeah, what a good "friend" Roman was. A pal is murdered in an especially nasty crime and all you can do is cast aspersions on his character?? As the old saying goes: "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
Oh, I looooooove the pic of him by his Porsche. Yummmmmmmmy!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Venus! I love the Porsche picture, too. If I remember correctly, after the murders Roman also called Jay "sad" because he liked to tie up women. Yeah, like Roman should be our moral compass.
ReplyDeleteFunny title, Venus.
ReplyDelete"Moral Compass." LOL, Good one, Carol.
ReplyDeleteGlad you liked the title, it just popped into my head one night.
Jay probably was a nice guy. Knowing now that the murders were not random was he truly collateral damage, or was he flirting with something dangerous? We may never know. Jay is not the first nice guy ever to get killed over something stupid, so what was it. RIP, Jay. You were a gentleman until the end.
ReplyDeleteWhen the story broke on August 9, 1969 that a horrendous murder had occurred in LA, the only person I'd even heard of was Jay Sebring.
ReplyDeleteI had never heard of Sharon Tate or Roman Polanski. And of course, I knew about Folger's coffee but I had no idea there was an heiress named Abigail.
The reason I mention this is because the Sebring haircut was all the rage at the time, even in the podunk Texas town I lived in. Jay Sebring was almost a household word at the time. He was at the brink of International fame.
He was the reason I even paid attention to the story in the first place.
To say that a person who had worked this long and hard to achieve his dreams was a drug dealer is so ludicrous it's laughable.
If Jay had lived, there's no limit to what his success would have been. And if he owed the dentist money, so what? Who doesn't owe money to the dentist?
Have you been to the dentist lately? A crown and root canal is an easy $2000. And that's for one tooth!
The problem is statistics prove, people who enjoy control, will increasingly allow their fantasy to get out of control.
ReplyDeleteTie up today, beat and rape tomorrow.
You said it, Katie.
ReplyDeleteMost people pay dentists in installments. We have no idea how much dental work he had done. He might've JUST HAD IT DONE which is why it wasn't paid yet. Nobody ever thinks of it like that tho.
And, yes, he WAS well-known, no doubt about it.
This is why I hate the comment moderation. Patty & Nonbeliever made comments but it looks like they were ignored, basically because I just saw and published them.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is statistics prove, people who enjoy control, will increasingly allow their fantasy to get out of control.
ReplyDeleteTie up today, beat and rape tomorrow.
May 8, 2014 at 8:07 PM
sigh....
Ok, I was quoting someone else, the first part of above post is definitely not my statement.
ReplyDeletePatty said: Knowing now that the murders were not random was he truly collateral damage, or was he flirting with something dangerous? We may never know.
ReplyDeleteYes Patty we probably will never know, but I personally don't think he was dealing drugs. And I also don't think he knew Tex. I know there are a lot of theories (some good ones I might add) that the drugs were part of the murders. But if you dissect the entire scenario, it just doesn't add up. Theories are just that...theories. No factual evidence involved.
Good post, Katie.
ReplyDeleteNonbeliever said: The problem is statistics prove, people who enjoy control, will increasingly allow their fantasy to get out of control. Tie up today, beat and rape tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteNonbeliever, how do you know Jay enjoyed control? Do you feel that sex other than the missionary position is about control?
Venus had a very good point on this thread. If someone wants to have sex in different ways, AS LONG AS IT'S CONSENSUAL, it's not hurting anyone.
And I would think that 95% of our viewers know what I'm talking about.
Jay Sebring was just a nice guy. And if he was being "Masters & Johnson" (no pun intended) with any of his practices, he certainly wasn't getting complaints from his gal pals. LOL.
Hey remember when Dr. Ruth advised us to greet our husbands at the door wearing nothing but saran wrap? Now THAT'S KINKY! LOLOL.
ReplyDeleteApplause for Katie for taking the words right out of my mouth!
ReplyDeleteShe's a peach
ReplyDeleteAnywho, let's get back to Roman's assholeish-ness.
ReplyDeleteit seems that Roman was quick to judge the dead. He also said bad things about Voytek, his supposed childhood friend. What a pal. Sounds like he was blaming everyone for what happened except himself.
I doubt that Roman had that much money. He supposedly made good money but who's to know if he could hold onto it? Wasn't he shipping a Rolls Royce to America for Sharon?
Altobelli says that he wasn't paid rent for August of 1969. I'm assuming that rent was due on the first. Why didn't Roman pay it by the 8th?
Just thinking out loud about a guy that thought owing money meant you're a douche bag.
Katie's been on my ass all night, to "participate" on this thread.
ReplyDeleteSo, here goes...
Deal with this crap. LOL
"Jay Sebring may have been invloved in a money thing, drug thing, drug delivery... entangled in some peculiar business. Jay owed his dentist $5400 dollars. That's rather amazing to me, as he was known as a prosperous man. This indicates to me, he must have been in serious financial trouble, despite the appearances that he kept".
ReplyDeleteA direct quote from Roman Polanski's Lie Detector Test 8/16/69
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"Voytek Frykoski had been sniffing Cocaine for two years regularly".
A direct quote from Roman Polanski's Lie Detector Test 8/16/69
Well now, isn't that something. Roman calling the kettle black.
ReplyDeleteHe owed rent that he hadn't paid but yet casting aspersions on his "friend" Jay for owing the dentist.
And as far as his "friend" Voytek is concerned, why didn't that sorry assed motherfucker come back to California and run that fucker off?
I guess he was too busy fucking other women to worry about his wife's safety.
He's the last man on earth to cast doubt on others. HE MAKES ME SICK!!!
Roman claims that he was "busy" and couldn't come back to CA.
ReplyDeleteIf he was a concerned husband and thought Sharon was in danger because of Voytek, he would have come back to the US with her.
But he didn't.
The truth is he was "busy" fucking Michelle Phillips and others. That creep needs to keep his fucking mouth SHUT!!
He didn't lift a finger to protect Sharon. Jay protected her more than Roman. In fact, he protected her until his end of days. Jay gave his life for Sharon. Which is a hell of a lot more than Roman did.
All Roman did was look like a wino at her funeral. PATHETIC!!!
LOL
ReplyDeleteI'm going back to my blog. Ciao.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible that Thomas "TJ" Kummer served on board USS UHLMANN (DD-687). I ran across a page of a person searching for info about a person of that name, Kummer "Sebring" is apparently a Korean war veteran, the Uhlmann was off the shores of Korea in the early 1950's. The person looking for the info in 2002 claimed that Kummer was his uncle.
ReplyDeleteDD-687 was a Fletcher class destroyer named after an ensign that was killed during the Pearl Harbor attack. It fought in WW II, Korea, Vietnam, and was used as a training ship, it was sold for scrap in 1974.
A YouTube vid showing Uhlmann in the early 1950's is-->HERE.
I have no conformation whatever that Kummer/Sebring was on board the Uhlmann. The crew was 273 strong, online lists of the names of crew members only include the names of sailors that have contacted various websites searching for family members/buddies.
If I drop dead today I am sure it's not the worst thing that anyone could say about me, but I owe my dentist money too. And it's 2014 and I have a wife and three children who go too but I certainly don't owe her $5400. But I have insurance too, which is pretty shitty but maybe it's more than what Jay had.
ReplyDeleteAnd I haven't tied anyone up lately for any reason other than the time it takes you all to read my comments.
I'll play "devil's advocate" for the sake of discussion.
ReplyDeleteThe yearly per capita income (for the average shmuck in 1969-1970) was probably $5,000.
(I'm guessing, but that's gotta be pretty close)
$5400 was a sizable sum, in those days.
As I said... it was probably comparable to the average "working man's" yearly salary.
Converted to today's economy, Jay's dental debt (assuming Polanski knew what he was talking about) would probably be equivalent to roughly $35,000 in "2014 money".
(Again, I'm just guessing... but that's a pretty conservative estimate of the average "working man's" salary these days, no?)
I don't want to get into a big pissing match over the exact "conversion figures".
Suffice it to say... you can't simply take the figure of $5400, at face value.
The point being... $5400 in "1969 money", was a sizable sum.
$35,000.
Jeez... that's a LOT of dental work.
Did Jay have a mouth like Frankenstein??? LOL
Venus?
Maybe Jay's DENTIST was the big drug supplier! LOL!
Starhsip said:
ReplyDelete"And I haven't tied anyone up lately for any reason other than the time it takes you all to read my comments."
LOL!
You owe me 30 seconds of my life! LOLOL!
That is a lot of money to owe the dentist, but how do we even know that he owed the dentist that much or at all? Does anyone know if the dentist tried to get money from his estate? The equivalent of $35,000 is a LOT of money to get back.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think that's an odd thing to mention in a lie detector test.
Oh, wait a minute: If Jay's dentist was offering him "whip its" I could see how someone could amass that kind of debt and still really not have too bad a mouth full of teeth.
ReplyDeleteLOL Starship
ReplyDeleteI really have no idea what kind of dental work he had done, but this might've been a bill that he'd run up for years. Or, maybe his business maanger (if he had one) hadn't paid it and the interest ran up? I do NOT know.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not he had a big dental bill is a moot point, as far as I'm concerned. And it was a ridiculous thing for Roman to mention. apaprently Roman was great at paying bills? Maybe he should've been handling Jay's $ for him? (yes, sarcasm intended)
Sunset, yes, Jay was a Korean War veteran.
ReplyDeleteVenus, didn't Jay get interested in hairstyling while he was in the navy?
ReplyDeleteSunset said: The person looking for the info in 2002 claimed that Kummer was his uncle.
I wonder if that was DiMaria?
Jay did cut hair in the Navy but they didn't like how he cut it! LOL
ReplyDeleteYeah, that could've been his nephew looking for info.
Well, seeing Jay's house on Easton Drive is definitely on my bucket list.
ReplyDeleteSome day I'm getting in there. Maybe I can take pics. I'd better start working on a good story. LOL.
Never knew Jay was in the Korean War.
ReplyDeleteHe served a 4 year stint, Carol.
ReplyDeletePatty wanted to see Easton really badly when we went last year. It is way off the street, only visible through the trees. And the address has changed. Patty recommends going with that Scott Michaels guy on his tour because he knows the people who live there now. Patty has yet to meet Scott, BTW.
ReplyDeleteI've already told Katie that if I ever win the lottery that house will be mine and you can all come over for a cookout. (Don't rush out to buy wienies and potato salad!)
ReplyDeletePatty I remember you saying that you wanted to see that house. I didn't know the address changed. I guess too many are curious about it.
ReplyDeleteI've seen the video of Scott talking to the owner of that house. I wish he'd gotten some inside shots.
VENUS!! You're on darlin'!
Venus, you ROCK!
ReplyDeleteHappy Mother's Day!!
ReplyDeleteKatie, at no point in my post did i mention Jay or anything Jay may or may not have done. Nor did I speculate on what type of guy he was.
ReplyDeleteJust stated the fact, that violent or controlling sex, tends to lead to bizarre behavior over time. This is a reality and not a opinion.
Venus, take your sigh and shove it. Once again your need to be a absolute authority and desire to allow no one outside your click of trolls join in, make you as desperate as are the missing actual facts in your post.
Oh, how mature. SIGH. There, are you going to make another immature comment?
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to be an expert. I DO know stuff. If you don't like it, I really don't care.
I didn't know I have a click (should be "clique," I suppose you'll be upset about the fact that I know how to spell?) of trolls, but I'm ok with that.
Nonbeliever said: Katie, at no point in my post did i mention Jay or anything Jay may or may not have done. Nor did I speculate on what type of guy he was.
ReplyDeleteJust stated the fact, that violent or controlling sex, tends to lead to bizarre behavior over time. This is a reality and not a opinion.
Nonbeliever, this was your original post:
The problem is statistics prove, people who enjoy control, will increasingly allow their fantasy to get out of control.
Tie up today, beat and rape tomorrow.
Since this is a thread on Jay Sebring and questionable sex practices, how does this comment have nothing to do with Jay Sebring? I'm just curious.
Hey Venus, I didn't know you had a "click of trolls". Who are they? HA HA.
ReplyDeleteA click of trolls would be a good name for a band. Or for an online garden statuary store. Or a Norwegian beat poetry club.
ReplyDeletePatty, LOL.
ReplyDeletePatty, LOL
ReplyDeleteI love it, click of trolls. Well, who is in my "click?" Since I apparently only let my "click" join in my posts (seriously, do I have any control over who posts here?? NO!!), who is in my click? It's open for membership! :-)
Venus, can I be in your click? LOL.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what "missing actual facts" Nonbeliever is even talking about? Maybe he will expound.
You, Patty and Carol are already members. Others have to apply! LOL
ReplyDelete$5400 would buy a lot of crowns in '69. Makes me wonder if Jay was footing the bill for his employees dental work. In his line personal appearance would have been a consideration.
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