According to Mansondirect.com, Charles Manson’s visiting privileges have been suspended “until further notice”.
The suspension order was issued by the warden’s office.
An officer informed Star, that the temporary suspension was due to an investigation.
The suspension order was issued by the warden’s office.
An officer informed Star, that the temporary suspension was due to an investigation.
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I assume this is related to the (Grey Wolf) cell phone caper...
If anyone has more information... please share.
AC?
Dr. Stupor had feelings for Charlie so he sent him a self-help book so he could beat somebody to death with it. LOL.
Well truth be told, Charlie & Grey Wolf (cough) knew that it was against the rules to run cell phones. And they got caught. And they got in trouble....
Just up Charlie's alley. LOL.
Has Grey Wolf or Star done anything for the environment, like adopting and cleaning up a mile on The 101?
AC, does Star have a job? I know that Grey Wolf is "retired", but does he get retirement income?
How do these people get money?
And while I'm at it, has Sandy or Squeaky done any cleanup on highways or beaches for the environment?
AC...., or anyone else who communicates with these folks, please let us know.
If I don't get any answers to these questions, I'll know that all these people who are supposed to be dedicated to the environment don't give a rat's ass about ATWA, it's all a scam and this ATWA stuff is a bunch of hooey.
It's all just a way to keep connected to Gnarly Charly.
I'm serious as a heart attack, have these people done ANYTHING about the environment?
I've done my part by recycling and picking up trash when I see it.
But have ANY of these people done ANYTHING about the environment?
These people are in a group call ATWA. Air, Trees, Water, Animals.
Have they done anything to clean the air up?
Joined Congressional committees to prevent impurities from car emissions or factory emissions?
Have they done anything to preserve the trees? Water them...plant new ones? Tag trees from being cut down?
Have they done anything to preserve the natural water resources we have. Especially in the drought stricken area of Texas, where rain never falls anymore? Maybe creating a pipeline from flooded plains to drought stricken areas?
Have they done extensive research into abused animals? Dogs, cats, horses, pigs, cows. Do they not know from their involvement in satanic worship that dogs and cats were mutilated for pleasure?
Do they not know that horses are used and abused every day?
What have they done about that?????
I'm waiting to hear from the ATWA professionals.....
BTW folks, you can only blame the victims so many times. The truth will eventually come out.
No one will answer my charges to the ATWA involvement because there is no answer. Wah.
Also, Roman should never go home again. Check it out:
http://voices.yahoo.com/chemical-castration-child-molesters-poland-4542315.html
Well Im certainly no ATWA expert, I just know this from an article, that after her release from prison Sandy was active in a campaign (no threatening involved believe it or not) against International Paper Co.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19891117&id=42dYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nOEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6852,3847543
I know many call her crazy and dont like her antics or tactics, but shes a smart chick. She went to college and studied botany, so she has to deserve some credit!!
Lauren did she clean up on The 101?
katie no one scared me off, my computer hard drive burned up two weeks ago--must have been all that hot air vera blowing my way.
Katie I once asked about Star someone mentioned she works hard and is a talented artist ( not verbatim this was a while ago) ( I think AC mentioned this in another blog) however when I asked the job /work Star does I never got a reply I know at one time Star worked at Mcdonalds ( strange for someone who is ATWA) all I can tell you dont know anything about Grey
Sad that peoples screw-ups always lead to Charlie getting punished somehow-sometimes you wonder if these things stopped happening throughout the years he may have had a chance of parole but it seems someone is always trying to sneak stuff in and in the end Charlie is the one who suffers the consequences
Blue was involved in the Lake Champlain campaign and I know she is much involved in gardening ( which is of course an important thing to do for the environment) as far as other eco things I dont know of any perhaps she has done other things but lending her name to anything probably takes the focus off the issue and always leads back to "the Manson Murders"
Lauren, that article is interesting but doesn't really say anything about what Sandy is doing for the environment.
Beauders, I'm so glad you're up and running again!! :)
Thanks Candy. I agree with you. It's Charlie who ends up getting punished when these people break the rules. You'd think they'd learn that.
I'm still curious about what it is these people (whoever they may be) are doing to help the environment. I remember back in the 60's & 70's, there wasn't a lot of talk about the environment. Maybe in CA there was because of the smog I don't know. But now there are SOOO many different ways you can get involved to save the environment, be it flora, fauna or natural resources.
The ATWA connection with Charlie is poopeycock...
Katie as usual your right on. If Charlie was into space monkeys or poprocks then they would post and write letters about that...
I do believe care about those causes.
but only in so much as because that's a subject they can attribute to Charlie and hold on to when they get into an argument about anything esle. Fundamentally it is true what they say. so, they can hold onto that and keep thrusting it out there. However, it has nothing to do with Charlies past or crimes- so whats the point?
I have said over and over and nobody has came back with anything to debunk it all these years:
If they wanted to truly help the environment they would rally around someone who can actually make a difference. How or what can Charlie to which makes any real difference? If it is such a passion... why not get involved with groups or people who do things on a day to day basis working towards real change?
Sneaking Charlie a cell phone is not a sign to me of a dedicated environmentalist-
it is the action of a goat/follower breaking the law to help a convict who has spent 50 years breaking rules and hurting others.
If I am wrong and Greywolf and Star did one thing that day which was meant to help the environment and not Charlie- please let me know...
I will apologize and never bring it up again.
Hi St. I agree with you.
Is Charlie really even into the environment? I read where he once talked about the solution to over population was to start killing people. LOL.
Star is such an attractive, seemingly intelligent young woman. She could be having the time of her life. But instead she chooses to hang around with 2 old geezers, each old enough to be her grandfather, in some stale prison visiting area.
I'm scratching my head...I don't get it...
Nor do I- and I have tried to reach out and listen to whatever she has to say....
But They all get very defensive and fall back on the environment stuff when you get too close or personal...
I guess I sort of understand as well..
She probably figures people like me could never understand and why bother. I am sure she feels no need to explain herself to the likes of me...
But I am a fair open minded person and despite my humor and sarcastic approach sometimes- My interest comes from a good place and my heart is in the right place. I just don't want to see this girl put herself in a position she can never get out of...
I want Star have to have some sort of life and we all have learned that we tend to want more out of life later on than we do when we are teenagers and in our early 20's. Unfortunately some of the choices we make at that age can stick around and haunt us if we are not careful...
I hope she has someone in her life who tells her that...
Katie I dont know Star but just imo the "original girls" all lived together, sewed, cooked, did garbage runs, embroidered, sang backup with Charlie, tended the babies( and helped in the deliveries)cared for the horses etc, basically like sisters of a family, so I could understand how they maintained such unity back then and even years after -I dont really understand about Star Im sure she is devoted ( or in love who knows) to Charlie but it seems a lonely life to just have weekends visits and phone calls from him and supporters and kinda be alone-I recall reading one time long ago when Star had her FB up that she wrote she wished she had the money to fly home to illinois during the week-kinda sad-like I said my opinion only
Candy- excuse me for butting in- thats incredibly sad...
and the older she gets- the more bridges she will burn and the more lonely she will become. this is the inevitability of surrounding yourself with people three times your age...
the whole thing is so sad.. Sad or unhappy endings for everyone who comes into contact with Charlie Manson and yet he still sits there smiling and laughing at us all...
they still go through such lengths and take risks for the guy who has done for them and given them exactly nothing besides his jailhouse rap and trinkets...
some trade off- a spider charlie made from garbage for a life of solitude and servitude...
I have to actually argue with people this is probably not the best way to go????
St. I don't think there is anyone over the age of 40 that doesn't look back 20+ years ago and wish they had done something differently. But youth has its immaturity. Star may have family members who try to dissuade her but maybe she just doesn't want advice.
Candy it is more understandable that the girls back then were drawn to this "family type" atmosphere. They actually enjoyed each other's company and had some interesting interactions with lots of different people.
This is the same to me as someone who actually marries a convict. I don't understand that behavior either. To me, it would be so much better to have someone come home every night, someone to take trips with, to go out to nice restaurants, just go places and have fun. What is the attraction being with someone who is locked up? Manson will most assuredly never get out of prison.
Maybe Star feels that Charlie didn't get a fair trial and that he shouldn't be in prison, and that's her prerogative. But she could show that and not be so totally involved in his life.
Yep I don't want to argue with AC or anyone about her parents, or with anyone about parents... because you have no control over who your parents are and everyone wants to love mom and dad...
But we adults have already seen what happens when impressionable young women get hooked up with Charlie and since we have the benefit of hindsite - I jsut feel we owe it to our young to point out the landmines for them when we know they are in front of them...
If someone knew what we know now and tried to talk to the girls back at spahn- maybe most of them would have laughed- but a few of them might have at least kept it in the back of their head and when things got heavy maybe even one of them split...
probably wouldn't have made much of a difference with an animal like Katie or Sadie granted...
but someone like Ruthann who went on to figure it out and have a nice life may have been spared some BS she otherwise wouldn't have had to go through if she had been made aware of what kind of guy she was hanging around with...
putting acid in hamburgers and things like that could have screwed someone for good who had some potential. Instead of having people egg her on- how about someone telling her in 40 years they would be looking at her pic on web blogs lol
think she would have liked to know that, and had a chance to think twice lol???
:)
St. in my experience with warning someone that he/she is making a catastrophic decision, people usually just do what they want to anyway.
Then when the wheels fall off the wagon, you can always so "I told you so". HA HA.
lol
Well nobody's really talking so I think I'll go to the Jodi Hilarious trial.
Juror #5 got the boot today because she has a big mouth. Travis Alexander's siblings, along with counsel, the judge and Joki were in attendance in a meeting to discuss. The defense wanted a mistrial. Lottsa luck on that one. The state of Arizona has already paid out over $1.4 million for the skank defense so far.
Here come da judge. Uh-Uh. LOL.
Travis' family came out of the meeting crying and Joki had a big shit-eatin' grin on her savage face.
She thinks she's won. But it's like salvaging a sandwich on the Titanic. She's a long way from the finish line.
The current "expert" is on the stand, parroting that Travis liked to have sex, was contacting several different women for sexy photos, and didn't have a knack for managing his finances.
Boo hoo. Does this = getting stabbed 29 times, throat slit through the trachea and windpipe and a gun shot right in the head?
Stay tuned....
I can't help but see a huge similarity between Foxy Knoxy and Jodi Arias. Foxy Knoxy turned a cartwheel in the police station before being interrogated and Arias did a head stand.
Istill have a hard time understanding how Arias could be so ferocious without the aid of drugs or alcohol.
Oddly the prosecution says Jodi stabbed Travis first even though the investigators say she shot him first.
Arias drove the entire length of California, north to south, as part of her premeditated plan. Travis lived in Arizona.
I doubt there really was a rope on Travis' headboard. She confabulated the rope lie in order to explain the presence of a knife in travis' bedroom so as to avoid any premeditation accusations.
I can't believe that trial is STILL going on!
What a waste of taxpayers money.
It is very expensive to conduct death penalty trials. Some people are against the death penalty for this reason by itself.
The main reason it's dragged on so long is because they don't have court have the time. Either Jodi has a headache, or the judge has something else to do, or the defense wants to whine about something in a closed door meeting.
The state is paying these expert witnesses $250 to $300/hour for their time. I'm assuming they're also ponying up with their airfare and hotel.
I would just like to say hello again to everyone and to let them know that I may be indisposed for a little while.
Hopefully at least until Tuesday...
Starship, new avatar??
The defense expert on domestic abuse did an excellant job yesterday in revealing the Travis that Jodi dealt with. Travis was not the person his friends saw. He would tell woen anything in order to get his way with them. He was deceptive with all of them and there were at least 4 he dated at once. He was ruining his chances with all four by being deceptive. For instance, being deceptive. Lying about being a virgin etc. He refused to go see a bishop with Jodi over premarital sex.
The defence expert yesterday did what dr Fog was supposed to do. Dr Fog ay end up getting Jodi executed. He was imcompetent. he'll never be hired as a court expert again.
Ya'll are so negative. Graydummy has done alot for the enviroment. Hell just last week he asked the goverment to direct deposit his free check instead of killing a tree to make a paper check.
Nonbeliever, HA HA HA. I love it!!! :)
Well another delay in the trial. Now the expert witness is sick. They didn't say what was wrong but I think it's diarrhea. I saw her mouth the words "I have to go to the bathroom" to the defense attorney. LOL.
Starship!!!
Let me guess...
Syracuse fan? LOL!
Have fun Bro!!
Thaqnks Lynyrd! It's a tall order getting to the Final Four. Once every ten years or so.
But when they get there I know it means one thing for sure...my nails get painted orange...
I might be in and out but it probably will be spotty until after the championship. Have a nice weekend.
Hi Starship,
I can handle the finger painting.
If you start on the toes, we might have to re-assess your staff membership.
Ahahahahaha
Just bustin' ya Bro...
Have a GREAT Time!!!
I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been asked about my toes...
starship said...
I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been asked about my toes...
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This reminds me. One time, at band camp.... No, wrong story..... One time I fell asleep on the couch and woke up with my daughter painting my toenails pink.
Over here the prison service have some device ( No idea what) that blocks all signals reaching cell phones anywhere within the prison .
Why cant the USA penal system do the same?
Thankyou all for the video links, I now have the internet back we lost it for a few days- would rather lose any other household object to be honest!!
Could any other Deadhead make themselves known to me please?
strix aluco said...
Could any other Deadhead make themselves known to me please?
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I've been a Dead Head since the 70s. Seen scores of their concerts as well as Bobby And The Midnites, Go Ahead, Rat Dog, Mickey Hart's Mystery Box, and The Jerry Garcia Band. Met Bob Weir in a bar back in 1988 in Roseville, CA.
This is on another blog:
April 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Blogger Doc Sierra said...
leary7 said...
I'm switching to wine.
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Hi Leary. I like reading your posts. You're a good writer. I too am a Dead Head. Anyway, be careful with the wine. We already have late night, unstable, drunk poster in the Manson blog community.
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Doc how dare you say those things about me? You come on this blog like you're welcome, yet you diss me this way.
You asked me for my e-mail address, and when I refused, you make fun of me.
YOU ARE A DEMENTED PIECE OF CRAP!!!
As far as I'm concerned you're not welcome on this blog anymore. You have shown your backside, and quite frankly, we don't want to see the hairs in your crack!
FUCK OFF DICKHEAD!!!
Katie,what makes you so sure I'm talking about you?
Skynyrd, is there a way to filter out psycho drunks?
As far as your email address, I just wanted to give you something you could write and post about. I gave it to someone else. You're too mean and petty for me to argue with. Get a life and fuck off.
Hello Doc,
You've insulted Katie a handful of times, on this blog.
Up to this point, I've patiently ignored your clever "ETOH" comments.
"ETOH the nectar of nitwits"... etc.
(And yes... I know ETOH means alcohol)
Now, you're taking your veiled insults on the road.
Let me cut to the chase Bro:
You're causing problems for me.
When Katie gets pissed, it's a pain in my ass.
And in the end... you're gonna cause problems for yourself, as well.
Take my word for it:
EVERYONE in cyberspace already knows that Katie is an alcoholic (coupled with other legitimate issues)... and that's everyone.
You're not telling anyone, anything new.
You're accomplishing nothing.
All you're doing with your jokes, is throwing gasoline on an already miserable fire, and (consequently) making my life more difficult.
You have always been welcome here.
If this continues, that will no longer be the case.
ALSO...
I can't disable the comments section forever.
If you get on Katie's bad side, she will tear you a new asshole every night (that I leave the comments section enabled).
Ever awaken to 30 scathing insults against you???
At that point... it will be YOUR problem, as well as mine.
(Fair warning Bro... she's batshit crazy)
As far as I know... Katie has never gone out of her way, to bust your balls.
I'm asking you politely, to do the right thing (for both of us).
You've insulted her a handful of times, for no good reason.
That's a fact.
It's time to back off.
That's as completely honest (and polite), as I can be with ya...
My next communication, will not be so polite.
Doc said (on ColScott’s blog):
“How fuckin' dare me tell that psycho bitch to fuck off on LSB3. Now I can't post there. Katie, you need to really get *^&^*((ed. You're a complete waste of air. You need help”.
Hello Doc,
You’ve made a handful of jokes at Katie’s expense.
If your jokes were motivated by something that Katie has done to you (in the past)… please let me know, via email.
If Katie has wronged you in some way (that I’m unaware of), I’m willing to discuss the situation with you.
Thing is...
I never observed Katie target you, until your alcohol jokes started.
Unless I'm missing something... you drew first blood.
I don’t condone Katie’s nonsense.
But, if you’re going to make unprovoked jokes at her expense… I have to let her defend herself (within reason).
No one here, has ever had a problem with you.
Unless I’m missing something… you created this unnecessary problem, with your own jokes.
Katie will always be on this blog.
"It is, what it is".
It’s my job (by default) to keep her under wraps.
If you rattle the lion’s cage, you can't blame me when you get bit.
As Matt Prokes used to say… “don’t poke the bear”.
For the record:
I handle ALL thread submissions.
If you have a thread submission… my email address is clearly posted in the sidebar for that purpose (twice).
There’s no need to bother Katie, with such matters.
All threads (and blog business) are received (and handled) by me... period.
That's been my system since day one, and it applies to everyone.
This drama is very needless Doc.
No one has ever, had a beef with you.
Stop making veiled jokes against Katie… and you’ll be all set.
Ignore Katie, and she’ll ignore you.
LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...As Matt Prokes used to say… “don’t poke the bear”.
Words to live by.
They make sense in just about any situation.
JDB...
I deleted our entire conversation, because it had zero content value.
My two comments to Doc, are self-explanatory.
There's no need to discuss that sitaution further.
If you'd like to discuss the TLB case with our group, you're more than welcome.
Also not been answering cuz I need some weird access code, apparently.
I'm not going to give out anyone's real name, work address, home address, phone number, family members' or friends' names or personal information, unless I have permission.
How would you like it if you're at work and a bunch of people show up and ask you questions about your personal life? NO.
And what is "The 101" and how can it be cleaned up?
OK, apparently got the access code thing going, cuz this is working.
" Do they not know from their involvement in satanic worship that dogs and cats were mutilated for pleasure?"
This is a damned lie, Katie. First of all, "Satan" is a Christian myth, your god of negative energy. Not ours. Wiccans and Pagans don't believe it exists.
We believe in male Gods and female Goddesses who are, among other things, the manifestation of Nature and our ancestors. We certainly do not "hurt animals for pleasure". Some of us eat meat and go hunting... and some do not. Most of us have animal companions.
Some people involved in ATWA work to prevent factory farming, animal testing, and other forms of animal cruelty, work in animal shelters, work for animal rights, and against "mutilating animals for pleasure" such as dog fighting -- like that perpetrated by ***Christian*** footballer Michael Vick.
Star and Gray Wolf have both worked to produce the seed balls and seed guns, worked for animal rights, and for responsible use of natural lands.
Other people involved in ATWA have worked in animal shelters, promoted organic gardening, promoted bee keeping, (and practiced, too); acted against the sale of harmful pesticides, promoted natural wetlands, educated others about endangered species, worked for recycling, promoted alternative energy, and protested harmful practices which cause problems to the environment.
Personally, I just finished giving a class on organic gardening at our local community center, am working on a community garden, working on a local tour of organic and permaculture gardens; am protesting the Palisades nuclear power plant -- which is the second most unstable nuke plant in the nation, on the shore of Lake MI -- which appears to be in the process of being shut down by the NRC, yaaay. This weekend, we're presenting "GasLand", a movie about fracking, and gathering signatures on a petition against the practice on state lands, in South Haven.
At home, we've planted seedlings in our mini-greenhouse, are planting outdoors, putting up birdhouses, creating more natural habitats on our land, and are doing more tree plantings. We recycle, use an outdoor furnace which burns "waste wood" with 95% less pollution than coal, compost, have cruelty-free chickens for eggs, and buy as many ecologically friendly products as we can.
Some of this is outlined on my blog and FB page, if you're truly interested.
Now, since you asked, what are YOU doing to preserve our planet? You gotta live here too, y'know.
AC thanks for taking the time to comment on this subject. I'm assuming you're addressing me??
And what is "The 101" and how can it be cleaned up?
The 101 is a highway in California. It can be cleaned up by getting a big trash bag and walking up and down picking up trash.
First of all, "Satan" is a Christian myth, your god of negative energy. Not ours. Wiccans and Pagans don't believe it exists.
I wasn't talking about Wiccans or Pagans. I was talking about the Manson Family.
I'm not going to give out anyone's real name, work address, home address, phone number, family members' or friends' names or personal information, unless I have permission.
I don't remember asking for this info...
Now, since you asked, what are YOU doing to preserve our planet? You gotta live here too, y'know.
I haven't done as much as you have, but I do put the recycling container out on recycling day. LOL.
Star and Gray Wolf have both worked to produce the seed balls and seed guns, worked for animal rights, and for responsible use of natural lands.
Seed guns? Wow. That gives thought....
Other people involved in ATWA have worked in animal shelters, promoted organic gardening, promoted bee keeping, (and practiced, too); acted against the sale of harmful pesticides, promoted natural wetlands, educated others about endangered species, worked for recycling, promoted alternative energy, and protested harmful practices which cause problems to the environment.
Who are these "other people"? Just wondering....
And BTW AC,I'm not asking for personal info. That's not my business. I'm just wondering in generalities.
Former Manson family members???...new recruits???
Just trying to get a feel for this ATWA group....
First of all, "Satan" is a Christian myth, your god of negative energy. Not ours. Wiccans and Pagans don't believe it exists.
I wasn't talking about Wiccans or Pagans. I was talking about the Manson Family.
The only people who've made any reference to "Satan" are Sadie, when she became Christian; Charles, who uses it as a metaphor; and Nickolas Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Church of Satan founder, Zeena LaVey. They aren't even Satanists, they're Setians. Set is the Egyptian God of creation and destruction which comes from the Void. He's the deity equivalent of a Black hole. Other Manson "Family" people are Christians, Agnostics, or practitioners of Nature Spirituality -- ie., Pagan.
None of them mutilated animals for pleasure. In fact, I don't know of any self-proclaimed Satanists who do, either... although one guy has the Evil Barking Poodles of Satan.
Once you clean up the highway with the big PLASTIC trash bag, where does the trash go???
Recycle, re-use, burn, landfill?
The idea is to not generate any trash at all, and to educate nasty people to NOT throw their trash out the window of their car.
I'm not going to give out anyone's real name, work address, home address, phone number, family members' or friends' names or personal information, unless I have permission.
I don't remember asking for this info...
SOMEone asked where Star works. If I told you she works at the ABC company and lives in the 123 Apartments, she'd be pretty easy to find in the thriving metropolis of Corcoran. She's employed. GW is retired. That's enough info.
There is more information about seed balls and seed guns on various Manson related sites and ATWA sites. Basically, it's a fun way to plant wildflower seeds in an empty lot, a place where a building has been razed, roadside, etc.
"I haven't done as much as you have, but I do put the recycling container out on recycling day. LOL."
That is a fantastic start!
Who are these "other people"? Just wondering....
Former Manson family members???...new recruits???
BOTH.
AC thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions.
You and I don't agree on certain things, but we're both 100% in agreement on saving the environment, including flora & fauna. It's a very important endeavor and I personally appreciate all you do.
I'd like to mention once again St. Jude's Hospital. They make a big difference in the lives of sick children and parents who can't afford their treatment. I've made a decision to give to them on a monthly basis. :)
AC do you think that sick children are important?
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