This is the funniest thing I've seen since the George Carlin outburst.
HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Tex's wife glommed onto another lowlife name "Skeeter". HA HA.
And his son is in the picture, half smiling because maybe he doesn't want to show his "horse teeth"? HA HA
That guy has "tractor ears". Maybe Kristen will get the "no no" and clean them out. HA HA HA.
Wow, it must suck to be a carnal murderer and your wife gets sick of your "born again" ways that don't work anymore because Doris took away your "sex in the private box". HA HA HA.
Yes, she's beautiful, but she's got more wrong with her than just strange taste. It is completely whacked to do what she did...marry a notorious killer...a baby killer at that, and have four children with him.
Second hubby doesn't exactly look like a prince either. She knows how to pick 'em. Good lord.
And the thing is if it hadn't been her, it would've been someone else. I don't know why women marry killers...and they're usually beautiful women...like that other baby killer Jeff MacDonald...his wife is beautiful, talented, smart...but as whacked as they come and in utter denial about his guilt.
And then they wake up.
Bruce Davis' wife finally had the good sense to get out...but why do they want that kind of life? Driving to the prison on weekends to see Daddy. What woman wants that for her children?
There's not enough nice guys outside of prison, who haven't murdered people to go around??
Go figure huh?
I wonder if anyone has ever run an in-depth study on this subject... ie,... why beautiful women (or ANY women for that matter) get involved with known murderers. I'd love to interview 50 of these ladies (at length), and see if there's a common thread.
I'm sure someone could write a book, on that topic alone.
And you know...thinking about this...how about the second husband. What kind of man wants to be with a woman who was married to Tex Watson, and be step daddy to his kids?
That would be cool...the opportunity to personally interview these woman. I'd love to ask them a few questions...intimate questions!
Just guessing...maybe they have some kind of need issues, they're going to 'save' them, or maybe it has more to do with wanting the secondary notoriety for themselves...?
Marliese said: "Second hubby doesn't exactly look like a prince either. She knows how to pick 'em. Good lord".
LOL!
Yeah... That's actually the first thought that crossed my mind, as well.
Actually, my first thought was: "Jeez... you'd think she could do a little better than that". LOL!
Followed quickly by my second thought, which was: "But then again... after breeding several of Tex Watson's children, I guess her market value on the dating scene, probably diminished greatly". LOL!
I mean, let's face it... toting around a slew of some murderer's kids, has gotta be a "hard sell" over dinner and a glass of chablis! LMAO!
Her: "By the way... there's something you ought to know"...
her market value..and toting around a slew of murderer's kids...OMG, rofl, i'm in tears! I gotta go bed, or i'm gonna get real dirty here real fast. LOL!
Why any woman would marry a convicted killer is beyond me.
But if she wants to that's her decision. She's an adult she can do what she wants. But she should absolutely not have any children. That's putting a burden on that child that he/she didn't ask for.
I agree with JohnnySeattle; it's kinda shady posting pics of the kid. I read something once about the woman who married Ted Bundy...and, a psychiatrist was of the opinion that these women who marry murderers lack self-esteem (obviously!) and these are *good* relationships for them because there is that distance. You're with someone, but...not. I thought it was pretty interesting. I'll see if I can find it again, though it's been a long time since I read it.
I've got two bloggers asking me to locate (and post) photos of Tex's older children... and two bloggers telling me, that I shouldn't have posted this one.
Welcome to "Blog Administration" folks.
Or, as I like to say: "Welcome to my world".
It's impossible to please everyone.
I really wish every blogger would operate their own blog for just 6 months. It would be a great learning experience. We'd likely have a lot less monday morning quarterbacks, and arm-chair critics.
Who is it, that said: "You can please some of the people, some of the time... but, you can't please all the people, all the time"?
Such a true statement. (I wanna say, that was Abraham Lincoln)
I apologize if my decision to post this photo offended anyone. That was not my intention.
Lynyrd I do feel your pain. I've helped to run a blog before that had a lot of traffic and can fully understand that you can't please everyone. It's the reason I don't do it anymore.... :)
Chalk it up to the ol phrase, 'opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one.' it's your blog. i just expressed my opinion.
i just draw the line at a different spot than others. Reflect back on your own childhood, it was tough enough back then and fast forward to today in which you can't even move away as the Internet is out there 24/7. Why subject them to potential undue harassment from their peers.
For me, the kids are verboten. If they get to be adults and want to inject themselves in the case ala Matthew Roberts allegations or Jason Freeman that is a different story.
Well. lol I guess you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. I guess you just have to go with what YOU can live with, y'know? While I personally couldn't see myself posting them, I DID click and I am commenting! So....yeah, a bit of a contradiction there.
Lynyrd, I do appreciate what you do here. I apologize if my comment seemed critical: musing out loud, if you will.
I've been thinking about this since I saw this here and the one over at Liz's. No matter the state of their relationship, Rosemary was her mother. This had to have fucked her up beyond belief. Forgiving and friending Tex might have been the only way she could get herself through this....for her own sanity and peace of mind. I dunno. I can't judge toooo harshly because I haven't had her experience. Grief and rage do funny things to people
Regarding Suzan's association with Tex, I think that was outlandish and cruel to her mother's memory. I wonder if she saw her mother's body on the floor, riddled with holes and her dress pulled up as a final degradation. Then she supports the man responsible for that? Unbelievable!
I've always thought that Suzan had something to do with the LaBianca murders, but of course i can't prove that.
Katie, i agree...there's something with Suzan, but i have no idea... except a sick feeling that her parole support for Tex wasn't only about faith and forgiveness. Certainly she realized her mother and stepfather weren't Tex's only victims... so exactly what was she doing then?
And how does she feel now?
Has there ever been any word from Rosemary's son, Frank? He must be in his late 50's by now...
Hi Katie!Thank you for the welcome! I found this and other Manson blogs last fall/winter while I was ill. I was always so embarrassed by my fascination with this case.
I don't think it'll ever be proved Suzan had anything to do with it UNLESS she were to ever confess and after 43 years, I don't see it happening. And, I sure wouldn't believe Tex. I dunno. I go back and forth about Suzan. I had a friend who was murdered years ago and it was heartbreaking to see her family literally disintegrate. People say, "Well, I would..." or, "I would never..." And really, how do you know until something so devastating happens? Take into consideration personality traits, how an individual deals with trauma. I try not to say I would or I would never... if I've never experienced it, how do I know how I'll respond? I know HOW I hope things would go, but no one does, do they?
The guy in the photo was also in Tex's ministry. He worked with Tex's wife on the website and newsletter and she had an affair with him and eventually left Tex for him. They all remain friendly and indeed still work together as far as his most recent comment I saw on the situation . Tex does communicate and get visits from his family according to him. He just started updating and posting on his website again after almost a year hiatus.. so I am not sure if any of that changed as far as the good will among all of them- but Tex actually skipped a parole hearing one time right after the divorce and one of the people on the committee wondered aloud if that was the reason- he had been using his family as a major argument for freedom and bragging about his wife and the situation waiting for him for some years prior at hearings...
Hi, Lynyrd! ReesesPeace brings up a really good point. Maybe forgiving and befriending Tex was the only way she could deal with the murders of her mother and step-father. Maybe she needed to know that Tex was truly sorry for what he did (he obviously convinced her that he was sorry). I really doubt that this is the route I would have taken, but maybe it was the only route Suze had available to her. Maybe being friends with Tex kept her somewhat in denial about what happened. I don't know.
Trying to excuse, defend or explain Suzan's actions reminds me of a trial in Orlando a year ago.
Defense attorneys trying to explain why a young mother would wait 31 days to report her little daughter missing, meanwhile helping herself to her "best friend's" checkbook, writing over $800 in hot checks, partying her ass off and getting a nifty neato tatoo "Bella Vita", lying to her mother every day about her whereabouts...their explanation was it was how she "dealt with grief".
Drew Peterson was found guilty of first degree murder. A recent jury finally got it right. LOL.
Speaking of children of convicted murderers, Drew's grown son testified for his defense, and as such, was ostracized and rejected by his mother's family.
Now his mother is dead, his Dad is going to prison and his extended family hates him.
After 24 years of marriage, Kristin divorced Charles after meeting another man in 2003.[10] Kristin and Charles remain friends as parents of their children[citation
oh thank you lynyrd, but don't don't go to any trouble...just guessing by the looks of the son, and i think their divorce was close to ten years ago...kristen has to be in her mid 50's now, she looks mid to late 40's here...
>>>St. said: The guy in the photo was also in Tex's ministry. He worked with Tex's wife on the website and newsletter and she had an affair with him and eventually left Tex for him.>>>
Wow I didn't know that St. He was helping Tex while helping himself to Tex's wife. There is poetic justice sometimes. LOLOL.
The problem I have with these pix is where do they come from? If these people don't mind having their pix posted, that's one thing, however, at least one blog I know of routinely pesters and harasses former Manson family members. From what I know of former family members, some, if not many of them no longer wish to be associated with Manson and what took place 43 years ago.
Considering this could be a life or death matter for some of them, I can understand why. While the chances of Watson or Manson being released are very slim, it's certainly a possibility. If I had testified for the prosecution, I don't think I'd want pix of myself, family, and friends posted all over the net, being labeled as a "snitch".
Also, someone said Watson is now updating his site again, thanx for that info.
I guess I'm trying to understand the why of Suzan's actions...doesn't mean I agree with it. I'm acually pretty appalled, but just trying to understand. I have my own experiences with forgiveness and how freeing it is. But to befriend and plead for parole on your Mom's killer? No. Just...no.
By the way, how do I sign up to post without having to prove I'm a robot? Any info would be aprreciated! Murderin' Mama. *scoffs* She needs to hook up with Tex. They're soul mates from hell. That trick murdered that beautiful baby because Caylee was a hindrance to Casey's social life. I have no sympathy or compassion for that trick.
I'm sorry, these people are crazy, and i will never think otherwise.
It is not normal behavior for a young woman to marry a convicted killer of how many...seven or more people, including an unborn baby, and have four children with him...children they had no viable means, other than public assistance, of supporting...all in the belief that convicted killer Dad will one day be released and we're all going to live happily ever after. It's not reality. It's nuts.
And I understand and respect that people feel we're supposed to be sensitive re photos of their kids...kids that are now 30 some years old...or close to it, in this day and age of the internet.
While it goes without saying we don't choose our parents, and children are not responsible for the choices and actions of their parents, I personally feel no responsibility to shelter the privacy of baby killing tex's now grown children. Though i understand and respect that others feel differently.
I hope hubby #2 is looking better these days than he does in this old photo....!
I think everyone's concerns are reasonable...how nice if all bloggers realized that differing opinions may also be valid. Thank you for saying that all opinions are valued.
I respect your kindness, and your generous spirit, Lynyrd.
Reeses if you want to become a member of this blog, just send Lynyrd an e-mail and he'll send you an invite. Be sure and mention who you are if your e-mail name is different.
Then you won't have to type those "robot words". :)
Thanx for your comment Lynyrd. This kid is a perfect example, he didn't choose his parents, he is certainly not responsible for what is father or others did many years ago. However, at least to a certain extent he will be associated with it. He does look a bit like Watson.
I noticed you said you watched a movie about Anne Frank, there were 2 of them posted on YouTube.
Similar things happened to the children of famous Nazi's. I'm pretty sure Hermann Gorings daughter had herself sterilized so "there would be no more Gorings". On the other hand, Gudrun Berwitz (Himmlers daughter), assisted former Nazi's and was still doing so the last I heard. She runs some type of "secret society" that aids former SS men.
There is a vid on YouTube of the grandson of Auschwitz Kommandant Rudolph Hoess returning to the camp to visit. He had with him pix of his father, taken when he was a child at the "Kommandant's house". Some of the gates, fences etc. in the pix could still be seen to this day.
I'm the administrator, and even I get those "robot words" sometimes, if/when I log-out.
I'm not sure there's really any way around it.
I mean... I can turn that feature off completely for the entire blog... but, the "capcha" (robot words) eliminate "automated spam posts"... so, it's a very useful tool.
But... I can't guarantee joining will eliminate the "robot words", as Katie suggests. In fact... I really don't think it has anything to do, with it.
Katie posts daily... so, the computer probably assumes she's not spam by now (although, I might disagree at times, LOL!)... and more importantly... I'm pretty sure Katie stays logged-in at all times... which (I'm convinced) is the key.
If I stay logged-in... I never get the "robot words". If I log-out completely... I sometimes do.
I really don't believe it has anything to do with "membership".
But... if you want to join anyway... the choice is yours... shoot me an email.
Katie said: "Lynyrd, when I log out I do get the robot words, but when I sign back in, they disappear".
That's exactly what I've been trying to communicate...
If you log out... you'll get the capcha words... if you log-in (and stay logged-in)... you can posts 1,000 times consecutively without seeing them. That's across the board, for all bloggers.
It has nothing to do with membership status... trust me.
If you visit a friend's house, and try to post from their computer... you'll get the "robot words" again, just like anyone else. (Because you're not logged-in)
There's no connection between "membership" and the "robot words".
I don't know how to express it more plainly.
You're giving Reeses misinformation and false hope. Joining is not going to make a bit of difference.
The best advice I can give him/her is to stay logged-in.
My experience, is that I get the "robot words" when I'm not logged-in.
Of course... I have no way of knowing what others experience on their own personal computers. I probably shouldn't assume everyone's experience matches mine.
Maybe others experience something totally different... who knows...
I don't hold anything against Suzan Laberge for forgiving tex Watson, in fact I'm impressed that she was able to forgive him.
BUT!
Forgiveness is not for the abuser's benefit. Forgiveness is for the victim. Christianity teaches forgiveness in order to help us humans move on with our lives after a tradgedy. You are NOT giving anything to the abuser by forgiving them. Perhaps Suzan misunderstood this? I myself, suspect Tex conned her with his self serving interpretation of biblical scripture. Tex still is a Con Man. Even Manson has said that about Tex and Sadie May Glutz. There are plenty of Christians who are Con Men. Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect. I suspect that God is still a bit ticked at Tex even today but I don't tell the big guy what to do.
I don't know much, but I do know for a fact that Katie is no robot. LMAO, the computer geek that could program a robot to respond like Katie does has yet to be born...
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Hey Lynyrd, like pretty much everyone here I have the same tourette's syndrome knee jerk response when Tex is involved. I start looking for the largest rock and prepare to heave it in his direction. So I fully get your take on the situation.
Where I grew up if someone even TALKED about your mother- you HAD to fight- to keep your honor...
now if someone went into my house and tortured my mother and then laughed and joked about in court and in front of me....
There would be no forgiveness
and if by any small chance for whatever reason some of you think religion is a reason for forgiveness- or that there is any good reason for forgiveness...
there is a difference between forgiving the scumbag and HELPING HIM...
To me- they should put her in the clink with him..
Let her talk with lulu and Patty about where false devotion to an asshole will get you....
Circumstance said... Where I grew up if someone even TALKED about your mother- you HAD to fight- to keep your honor...
now if someone went into my house and tortured my mother and then laughed and joked about in court and in front of me....
There would be no forgiveness
and if by any small chance for whatever reason some of you think religion is a reason for forgiveness- or that there is any good reason for forgiveness...(end quote)
Poirot replies:
I am in the same camp as you St C. If Tex had done the same thing to your or my mother back in 69 i know neither of us would ever forgive. We both would probably be bitter, angry men today.
I an upset that Suzan never considered how her parole forgiveness stunt would hurt Doris Tate.
I could tell by looking at Doris Tate fotos that she never again had any peace in her mind again after Sharon's murder.
I have studied forgiveness 20 years and I still can't quite understand how to do it.
St. I'm with you. There's no way on God's green earth that I would even SPEAK to someone who did that to my mother, much less ever try to help him no matter how "born again" he claims to be.
Mr. P., Doris was extremely upset with Suzan. She thought she'd lost her mind. I agree with Doris.
I think it was so unacceptable for her to use her so called forgiveness to influence his case for parole. Her mother and stepfather weren't his only victims...
Suzan should be ashamed of the pain she caused Doris Tate that day at the hearing...Doris looked like she was about to have a stroke when they had words at each other outside of the prison.
She can forgive him all she wants, but i don't see where her forgiveness has anything whatsoever to do with whether or not he's fit for, or earned, parole.
I never heard of a victim impact statement being used in that direction...but maybe they are...
Marliese can you imagine how Doris would have felt if that monster got out because of Suzan? That would have been devastating to Doris. After all her hard work, just to have that looney bird show up and ruin it all.
Suzan oughtta be ashamed of herself. I agree with St. She oughtta be in prison alongside Tex.
Katie Don't forget they were in a parking lot. If Tex gets his 'parole' because of Suzanne, I picture Doris getting behind the wheel of her 1988 Buick Electra and taking care care of business. (you ever see Kathy Bates in Fried Green Tomatoes --the Parking lot scene?)
BTW, if they ever do a movie of the Tate Family, Kathy Bates must play Doris Tate.
Doris gets in her Buick, floors it, then slams it into drive. Tires are squealing and smoke is flying. Then BOOM! We hear this "flub bub" sound as she runs her down. Then she puts it in reverse and does it again and again until there's nothing left of Suzan but red goo.
Then as she takes off flying from the parking lot, she yells out the window "Good luck honey. Yer Mama's waiting on ya."
I understand how some people need to make inner peace with themselves with the goal of moving on and not dealing with hate and negativity for the rest of there life...
I do understand and appreciate it.
I am not capable. I am more like Doris- I would have fought tooth and nail to make sure I did everything I could to make sure He never left clinksville
enough that he dodged the death penalty
enough he was allowed to have a family
enough he was having the easiest possible time
She had to watch someone who really should have understood more than almost anyone else- line up on the other side- and let him go free altogether
Hey everyone, Simon Wells posted on Cats "Truth on Tate LaBianca" Forum there is a new documentary airing on tuesday 9/11 called "Devils Business" on the Twisted series on ID Discovery channel...supposed to be some good stuff...
I thought that Doris very nearly punched Suzan in the face in the parking lot. Suzan didn't appear to be all there. She sort of looked prozacked. Is that a word?
>>>Mr. P. said: Why don't bullfrogs have a clutch so they wouldn't jump?>>>
I'm not sure what that means, but I'm assuming Suzan's interest in Tex is because he's a man?
No forgiveness and rallying to get out 2 women who held her mother down, tied a lamp cord around her neck and stabbed her?
Just forgiveness for the guy who cut her spinal cord, making it impossible for her to crawl anymore to help her husband and stabbed her deep enough that she died of exsanguination?
Suzan rallied to get a man out of prison who made sure her mother was stabbed so many times that she bled to death, a man who stabbed her stepfather viciously, all the while he had his hands tied behind his back, a lily livered coward who couldn't fight one-on-one, who left a knife buried in his throat, a man who after he killed these people decided to dirty up their shower with their own blood, a man who helped himself to food and drink from the fridge while they lay motionless on the floor bleeding out, with shock carved on their faces for all eternity, staring into their dead faces and not caring.
I don't even think she's insane. I think she's that evil.
I remember seeing Doris being interviewed on a 60 Minutes-type TV show many, many years ago. I don't remember her saying anything about forgiveness, but she told a story about being full of anger and rage for 10 years until one day, "the Lord told me to let it go." She then said she channeled her anger into something positive,like victims' rights and making sure the killers stayed behind bars. She invited the reporter into her bedroom (Paul Tate was not part of the interview) because there were more pictures of Sharon in her room,if I remember correctly. There were rosary beads draped over her mirror and a crucifix over her bed. She mentioned that she was a Catholic and got a lot of her strength from her faith. Maybe she forgave her daughter's murderers in her heart but, unlike Suzan, she never asked for their parole.
INvestgative Discovery says 10:00 pm but I don't know if that's eastern or central or pacific and I don't have TV right now so I need one of you guys/gals to record it for me...LOL
Over on Cielo Drive, they have the Watson Trial testimony. I had forgotten this tidbit from Melcher on the number of times he saw Tex over at Cielo Drive. It also goes to Tex being associated with Dennis and Jacobsen quite a bit.
Terry Melcher testimony ------------------------------ "Q: Have you ever seen Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive? A: Yes. Q: Approximately how many times? A: I can't be certain -- several. Watson was a friend of Wilson's and Jacobson's and was often tagging around with either or both of those men, so whenever they would drop by -- not "whenever," but often when they would drop by he would be with them. Q: Can you give us an approximate number of times that you saw Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive? A: I would say approximately six. It's a very rough, rough guess. Q: Do you recall what part of your former residence Mr. Watson was in on any of these occasions? A: He could have been in one room or he could have been in all the rooms; I really don't know. I wasn't keeping track. Q: During what period of time was Mr. Watson at your residence? You said six times -- encompassing, let's say, what period? A: I guess it would all be -- I'm sorry, let me retract that; All six times would have fallen somewhere in the summer of 1968. Q: To your knowledge did Mr. Watson ever stay overnight at your residence? A: No. Mr. Jacobson took care of my house for me for about four months while I was in Europe doing some recording. Q: When was that? A: That was in, I believe I left in the fall of 1968 and Watson may have stayed there then. Q: You don't know? A: I'm not certain; it's possible. Q: Did you have a Jaguar car around this period of time? A: Yes, I did. Q: Did you ever loan Dean Moorehouse that car? A: I did. Q: Do you know the approximate date? A: No, I don't, but I am sure that -- Q: In the summer of '68, again? A: -- in your records -- yes. Q: To your knowledge did you loan the car to Mr. Moorehouse and Mr. Watson? A: I loaned it to Mr. Moorehouse. Q: Was Mr. Watson present when you did this? A: I believe that Mr. Watson went along with Mr. Moorehouse on the trip, yeah. Q: During the summer of 1968 did Mr. Watson look the way he does right now? A: Well, he wasn't wearing a tie. Q: What about his hair? A: It was a little longer. Q: What about his weight? Would you care to have him stand up? A: Well, he is thinner. Q: He is thinner now? A: Yeah."
...how far was her apartment from tex's back in the day?
you would think if she was full of forgiveness that she could extend it to the ones who didn't kill her mother. but nooooo, she extends it to the one who did the deed.
tex figured out long ago his best play was to play the role of the drugged out hippie following orders from the criminal mastermind manson. then he did his 'born again' stint and almost pulled off a parole.
at this point in time, his only hope for parole is to keep to the lies he has been parroting.
i doubt he'll ever come clean. as the trial testimony shows tex knew his way around Cielo pretty well.
In one of Clem's hearings he said Shorty pulled the car over into a pullout and stopped so Tex could get some car parts stashed in the brush. Tex turned to Clem and motioned for him to clobber Shorty. Once stunned; Shorty jumped out the passenger door but left the car in gear. The car rolled forward towards the ditch so Clem had to lean over the seat and stp the car. At this point Tex began to attack Shorty and Manson "appeared" from where he didn't know. At this point Bruce was present. Clem said Charlie mat have stabbed Shorty in the arm.
Well...I've been mulling over what you've posted. I didn't know Suzan's forgiveness only extended to Dead-eyed Tex and not the others. That certainly looks hinky. I feel downright queasy reading that she befriended Tex. But, only Tex. Hmmmm...
do you all remember bill nelson's short recorded conversation with the labianca's neighbor harold true? during that conversation nelson was trying to get true to say laberge knew the family and helped orchestrate the murders. (it's not really obvious that nelson was talking about laberge, i think her name was cut off on the recording). true said basically that if suzan had known manson "that she would have been on that bus with the others." i really believe suzan was a nut who pissed off the labianca family after the murders and when nelson met the first mrs. labianca she told him about all these feelings, this added to suzan trying to get watson paroled and nelson being a crazy nut himself turned it into a geraldo type witchhunt and wrote in his hideous books that she was involved. suzan wouldn't have anything to do with nelson, she wasn't that crazy. i knew nelson he was a creep actually he was a born again christian, car dealing, pedaphile, who was totally obsessed with manson and the family because they were an outlet for his warped sexuallity.
the person who could throw some new light on this was that private investigator, i forget her name, that he used, she was actually the on recording with true. she was also friends with krenwinkel and would report everything krenwinkel would tell her back to her other friend doris tate. what a tangled web, does anyone remember her name? i believe her first name was sandra but i can't remember it off hand.
I have always heard that Suzan Laberge lived near Tex but I have never seen it proven that they both lived in close geographic proximity at the same time.
Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rosemary but not simultaneously. Harold True never met the Labiancas.
There's no one who has uncovered that Tex ever met Suzan Laberge in person prior to 1970 and even then they met in a courtroom at a distance.
Well it's curious because Suzan lights up like a Christmas tree when she talks about Tex Watson...at least she does in that tv interview...can't remember the name of it, but the one where she's in that ugly turquoise get up.
And the photo of Tex, Suzan and Tex's kids...indescribably weird! She's posing as though she's the proud mother of his children.
In 'forgiving' Tex is she absolving herself somehow? Or is it just some perverted sexual attraction?
Anyone know of her relationship with Tex now? It's been many years since the parole fiasco...is she still so turned on by her mother's killer?
Marliese, if Tex killed my mother and I had to even sit in the same room with him and breathe the same air I would be sick to my stomach.
My hat has always been off to Doris for being able to sit across the table from him and listen to his sad-sack bullsh*t. All he talks about in his parole hearings is himself. He's just a waste of a bullet anyway.
For Suzan to pull this bizarre stunt is just unbelievable. And that picture of her with Tex & his kids is CREEPY!!
I don't have any idea what she does now. I don't even know where she lives. Is she married? Who would marry that thing?
“Though I’m grateful for Vincent Bugliosi’s helter-skelter motive and the convictions it brought, I don’t buy into it for a second. There’s something more, some deeper motive for the killings. Even though Manson talks in riddles, he seldom lies. So I watch and wait for that morsel of truth that might slip from his lips, revealing the true motive.”
Carol I believe Leno was having trouble with the tenants of that house after True moved out.
According to Sanders, True moved out of his rented house in September of 1968, and the LaBiancas moved into their home next door in November of 1968. So they didn't live there at the same time.
Thanks, Katie. So Leno never confronted Manson or the Family about any party noise? I've read several times that this was the reason Manson picked the LaBianca home - because Leno dissed him in the past.
Katie, i just glanced at part II of the 700 club interview with suzan...trying to figure her, and incidentally noticed at about 5:00 in the video, Suzan is explaining that as her brother got the to house on Sunday 'he noticed that the boat that was usually left somewhere else was still at the bottom of the driveway.'
Interesting. You were saying that Leno usually stored the boat at his mother's?
From this, i get that it wasn't unusual that the boat would be on the street, but unusual that it was still there and hadn't yet been taken to where ever he stored it...and so it seems logical that it was in the street because it was so late when they got home, he wasn't going to take it over to his mother's at that hour, and would have taken it in the morning had he not been killed, and so it was alarming to Frank that it was 'still' in the street later in the day when Frank got home...
I clicked through the first half of part II because it's all tex creeping about how much he loves God, but will get back to Suzan's interview later...gotta run now.
Carol, Manson never had a run-in with Leno, so that couldn't be the reason he picked that house. We don't know what the real reason was, we can only speculate since Manson will never reveal that.
Marliese, I had read in the 2nd Waverly Drive police report that Leno stored that boat at his mom's. I know a lot has been said about that boat being in the street, but I think it's "Much Ado About Nothing". LOL.
I don't have any idea if Leno would normally put the boat in the driveway if he wasn't taking it to his mom's or not. Frank just made a comment about it being in the street. Maybe that was the first time Leno had ever gotten back so late and didn't want to disturb his mom that late or maybe he was just too tired.
I'd fast forward thru Tex too. If I want to hear an asshole talk, I'll just fart. HA HA.
I don't see why people are bagging on the ex-wife. I mean, if she soaked in a tub of kerosene, alcohol, vinegar, Black Flag, RP4, sea salt, cayenne pepper, Kwell Shampoo, and Lysol, she'd be practically brand new.......
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Wow!
Chip off the ol block....that must be #4.....the kid I mean!
That chick is still weird I'm sure. Any gal can dress up like Florence Henderson.
(((((!!!!!-KIMCHI-!!!!!)))))
Rumor has it... Tex was "conjugalizing" (LOL!) with other men in the prison... and she was none too happy. LOL
This is the funniest thing I've seen since the George Carlin outburst.
HA HA HA HA HA HA.
Tex's wife glommed onto another lowlife name "Skeeter". HA HA.
And his son is in the picture, half smiling because maybe he doesn't want to show his "horse teeth"? HA HA
That guy has "tractor ears". Maybe Kristen will get the "no no" and clean them out. HA HA HA.
Wow, it must suck to be a carnal murderer and your wife gets sick of your "born again" ways that don't work anymore because Doris took away your "sex in the private box". HA HA HA.
Tex, how do you like me now? HA HA HA HA.
Hee Hee Hee.
Seriously, that kid looks like a cross ways between Beaver Cleaver and Jason Vorhees.
Kristen...hide the knives. As well as the big skewer forks, steak knives and marks-a-lot.
Skeeter...you better take off runnin' and never look back.
Oh, and if you have any nylon rope or bolt cutters, make sure you hide them.
This kid looks like real trouble. Just like his Daddy....
That guy has some red marks under his eyelids which indicates he doesn't sleep good.
He's also got some red patches on his skin which probably indicates Roseola.
Good luck with allll that! LOL.
She just better hope that he never gets out. Or she might end up with a butcher knife in her larynx. Out of her own knife drawer.
And believe you me...I'm not kidding now....
That is if the son doesn't turn "Tex". Then she's got a whole nuther story to deal with....
"sex in the private box". Classic Katie. ..... I like that...
All right, all right, talk amongst yourselves. I'm going to bed. I'm tard. Great thread Lynyrd! Thanks Kimchi!!!
Night! :)
Nice find Lynyrd.....I always wondered about #4.....I always heard there was a fourth child but never could never find anything on him,,,,,
someoone should find you the older kids pictures Lynyrd......the oldest son is Tex's twin......scary shit!!!!.......lol......KIMCHI!!!!
Have to admit she's a handsome woman...why she chose to procreate with that piece of shit I will never understand.
*****JOSH*****
Yeah Lynyrd, you need to find one of the daughter "all grown up" and post that one too ....LOL
The ex is very pretty. I feel sorry for Andy. He didn't pick his father, but I'm sure he gets hell for being the son of Tex Watson.
I agree with Kimchi and Carol.
She's a very beautiful woman.
Evidently, she has strange taste though... LOL
The one good thing about Tex... is that, he's (pretty much) hated by everyone in TLB-land.
Consequently, he's the one person (in this entire saga) you can rag on constantly, and get away with it. LOL
JOSH!!!!!
CAROL!!!!!
POIROT!!!!!
Yes, she's beautiful, but she's got more wrong with her than just strange taste.
It is completely whacked to do what she did...marry a notorious killer...a baby killer at that, and have four children with him.
Second hubby doesn't exactly look like a prince either. She knows how to pick 'em. Good lord.
And the thing is if it hadn't been her, it would've been someone else. I don't know why women marry killers...and they're usually beautiful women...like that other baby killer Jeff MacDonald...his wife is beautiful, talented, smart...but as whacked as they come and in utter denial about his guilt.
And then they wake up.
Bruce Davis' wife finally had the good sense to get out...but why do they want that kind of life? Driving to the prison on weekends to see Daddy. What woman wants that for her children?
MARLIESE!!!!!!
I agree.
There's not enough nice guys outside of prison, who haven't murdered people to go around??
Go figure huh?
I wonder if anyone has ever run an in-depth study on this subject... ie,... why beautiful women (or ANY women for that matter) get involved with known murderers.
I'd love to interview 50 of these ladies (at length), and see if there's a common thread.
I'm sure someone could write a book, on that topic alone.
As the Three Stooges said it best:
Truth is stranger than fiction! LOL
That's right, Lynyrd. Go Figure.
And you know...thinking about this...how about the second husband. What kind of man wants to be with a woman who was married to Tex Watson, and be step daddy to his kids?
That would be cool...the opportunity to personally interview these woman. I'd love to ask them a few questions...intimate questions!
Just guessing...maybe they have some kind of need issues, they're going to 'save' them, or maybe it has more to do with wanting the secondary notoriety for themselves...?
Marliese said:
"Second hubby doesn't exactly look like a prince either. She knows how to pick 'em. Good lord".
LOL!
Yeah...
That's actually the first thought that crossed my mind, as well.
Actually, my first thought was:
"Jeez... you'd think she could do a little better than that". LOL!
Followed quickly by my second thought, which was:
"But then again... after breeding several of Tex Watson's children, I guess her market value on the dating scene, probably diminished greatly". LOL!
I mean, let's face it... toting around a slew of some murderer's kids, has gotta be a "hard sell" over dinner and a glass of chablis! LMAO!
Her:
"By the way... there's something you ought to know"...
Him:
"Well, it was nice meeting you"
LOL!
Wow Marliese...
We posted the same thought, almost simultaneously!
So she divorced Tex because she finds prison sex between men immoral. LOL!
her market value..and toting around a slew of murderer's kids...OMG, rofl, i'm in tears! I gotta go bed, or i'm gonna get real dirty here real fast. LOL!
I am clearly in the minority, but I would not have posted this thread with the picture of the son.
He clearly has enough baggage to not need people adding to it. High School or growing up in general is hard enough as it is.
My guess is that chick has parents exactly like Frank and Estelle Castanza.
Johnny, that's a good point. That kid didn't chose his father. I shouldn't have made fun of him. My bad....
Why any woman would marry a convicted killer is beyond me.
But if she wants to that's her decision. She's an adult she can do what she wants. But she should absolutely not have any children. That's putting a burden on that child that he/she didn't ask for.
Pitiful.
I agree with JohnnySeattle; it's kinda shady posting pics of the kid.
I read something once about the woman who married Ted Bundy...and, a psychiatrist was of the opinion that these women who marry murderers lack self-esteem (obviously!) and these are *good* relationships for them because there is that distance. You're with someone, but...not. I thought it was pretty interesting. I'll see if I can find it again, though it's been a long time since I read it.
I've got two bloggers asking me to locate (and post) photos of Tex's older children... and two bloggers telling me, that I shouldn't have posted this one.
Welcome to "Blog Administration" folks.
Or, as I like to say:
"Welcome to my world".
It's impossible to please everyone.
I really wish every blogger would operate their own blog for just 6 months.
It would be a great learning experience.
We'd likely have a lot less monday morning quarterbacks, and arm-chair critics.
Who is it, that said:
"You can please some of the people, some of the time... but, you can't please all the people, all the time"?
Such a true statement.
(I wanna say, that was Abraham Lincoln)
I apologize if my decision to post this photo offended anyone.
That was not my intention.
Peace...
On a different note:
I watched the story of Anne Frank yesterday on "Masterpiece Theater".
Man... what an incredible movie.
I highly recommend it, to everyone.
Lynyrd
I do feel your pain. I've helped to run a blog before that had a lot of traffic and can fully understand that you can't please everyone. It's the reason I don't do it anymore.... :)
Chalk it up to the ol phrase, 'opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one.'
it's your blog. i just expressed my opinion.
i just draw the line at a different spot than others. Reflect back on your own childhood, it was tough enough back then and fast forward to today in which you can't even move away as the Internet is out there 24/7. Why subject them to potential undue harassment from their peers.
For me, the kids are verboten. If they get to be adults and want to inject themselves in the case ala Matthew Roberts allegations or Jason Freeman that is a different story.
Cheers
Well. lol I guess you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. I guess you just have to go with what YOU can live with, y'know? While I personally couldn't see myself posting them, I DID click and I am commenting! So....yeah, a bit of a contradiction there.
Lynyrd, I do appreciate what you do here. I apologize if my comment seemed critical: musing out loud, if you will.
I've been thinking about this since I saw this here and the one over at Liz's. No matter the state of their relationship, Rosemary was her mother. This had to have fucked her up beyond belief. Forgiving and friending Tex might have been the only way she could get herself through this....for her own sanity and peace of mind. I dunno. I can't judge toooo harshly because I haven't had her experience. Grief and rage do funny things to people
Hi Reeses! Welcome to the blog! :)
Regarding Suzan's association with Tex, I think that was outlandish and cruel to her mother's memory. I wonder if she saw her mother's body on the floor, riddled with holes and her dress pulled up as a final degradation. Then she supports the man responsible for that? Unbelievable!
I've always thought that Suzan had something to do with the LaBianca murders, but of course i can't prove that.
Any idea the approx date of this photo? Could be close to ten years old, no? Assuming the kids were born in the 80's...
Tex claims they had children because they thought he'd get out one day...clueless. I don't care what the trend was, he was never going to get out....
The baby killer is probably a grandfather himself by now...i wonder if his kids still see him regularly.
Katie, i agree...there's something with Suzan, but i have no idea...
except a sick feeling that her parole support for Tex wasn't only about faith and forgiveness. Certainly she realized her mother and stepfather weren't Tex's only victims...
so exactly what was she doing then?
And how does she feel now?
Has there ever been any word from Rosemary's son, Frank? He must be in his late 50's by now...
Hi Katie!Thank you for the welcome! I found this and other Manson blogs last fall/winter while I was ill. I was always so embarrassed by my fascination with this case.
I don't think it'll ever be proved Suzan had anything to do with it UNLESS she were to ever confess and after 43 years, I don't see it happening. And, I sure wouldn't believe Tex. I dunno. I go back and forth about Suzan. I had a friend who was murdered years ago and it was heartbreaking to see her family literally disintegrate. People say, "Well, I would..." or, "I would never..." And really, how do you know until something so devastating happens? Take into consideration personality traits, how an individual deals with trauma. I try not to say I would or I would never... if I've never experienced it, how do I know how I'll respond? I know HOW I hope things would go, but no one does, do they?
The guy in the photo was also in Tex's ministry. He worked with Tex's wife on the website and newsletter and she had an affair with him and eventually left Tex for him. They all remain friendly and indeed still work together as far as his most recent comment I saw on the situation . Tex does communicate and get visits from his family according to him. He just started updating and posting on his website again after almost a year hiatus.. so I am not sure if any of that changed as far as the good will among all of them- but Tex actually skipped a parole hearing one time right after the divorce and one of the people on the committee wondered aloud if that was the reason- he had been using his family as a major argument for freedom and bragging about his wife and the situation waiting for him for some years prior at hearings...
Hi, Lynyrd!
ReesesPeace brings up a really good point. Maybe forgiving and befriending Tex was the only way she could deal with the murders of her mother and step-father. Maybe she needed to know that Tex was truly sorry for what he did (he obviously convinced her that he was sorry). I really doubt that this is the route I would have taken, but maybe it was the only route Suze had available to her. Maybe being friends with Tex kept her somewhat in denial about what happened. I don't know.
My own personal opinion is that there is no good reason on earth to befriend or marry a scumbag like this. No Psychology- No religious value
No Didley Squat :)
He is the lowest type of sludge that ooozes around our planet..
if you cant find someone to love or talk to or pray with is better than this- I feel badly for you
if you know ahead of time what he did and you still cant find anyone better to marry or be friends with or pray with- then I feel badly about you
There are 100 better ways to get over a tragedy than to try and suck up to and help the jackass who caused it
Sorry- I am not buying that
( respectfully)
Trying to excuse, defend or explain Suzan's actions reminds me of a trial in Orlando a year ago.
Defense attorneys trying to explain why a young mother would wait 31 days to report her little daughter missing, meanwhile helping herself to her "best friend's" checkbook, writing over $800 in hot checks, partying her ass off and getting a nifty neato tatoo "Bella Vita", lying to her mother every day about her whereabouts...their explanation was it was how she "dealt with grief".
I didn't buy any of that hogwash either.
Forgiveness and healing of their souls had no place in urging parole for the man.
Drew Peterson was found guilty of first degree murder. A recent jury finally got it right. LOL.
Speaking of children of convicted murderers, Drew's grown son testified for his defense, and as such, was ostracized and rejected by his mother's family.
Now his mother is dead, his Dad is going to prison and his extended family hates him.
I feel sorry for the guy.
Hi Marliese.
I'll try to get a definitive date for you, regarding this photo.
My guess (off the top of my head), is that you're correct.
It's probably not extremely recent.
Does anyone know when Tex's divorce was finalized?
This photo was likely taken a couple years after that, no?
Just a thought...
I hesitate to guess at a year, without further research.
Hi Reeses and Carol.
Great to see both of you!
I've have some thoughts regarding your theory (and Suzan in general) that I may share later... if I have a chance.
Actually Marliese...
I'm pretty confident Kimchi could give us an accurate date for this photo.
Maybe she'll be online tonight.
From Wiki :
After 24 years of marriage, Kristin divorced Charles after meeting another man in 2003.[10] Kristin and Charles remain friends as parents of their children[citation
Beauders is another great resource for dates...
oh thank you lynyrd, but don't don't go to any trouble...just guessing by the looks of the son, and i think their divorce was close to ten years ago...kristen has to be in her mid 50's now, she looks mid to late 40's here...
>>>St. said: The guy in the photo was also in Tex's ministry. He worked with Tex's wife on the website and newsletter and she had an affair with him and eventually left Tex for him.>>>
Wow I didn't know that St. He was helping Tex while helping himself to Tex's wife. There is poetic justice sometimes. LOLOL.
The problem I have with these pix is where do they come from? If these people don't mind having their pix posted, that's one thing, however, at least one blog I know of routinely pesters and harasses former Manson family members. From what I know of former family members, some, if not many of them no longer wish to be associated with Manson and what took place 43 years ago.
Considering this could be a life or death matter for some of them, I can understand why. While the chances of Watson or Manson being released are very slim, it's certainly a possibility. If I had testified for the prosecution, I don't think I'd want pix of myself, family, and friends posted all over the net, being labeled as a "snitch".
Also, someone said Watson is now updating his site again, thanx for that info.
I guess I'm trying to understand the why of Suzan's actions...doesn't mean I agree with it. I'm acually pretty appalled, but just trying to understand. I have my own experiences with forgiveness and how freeing it is. But to befriend and plead for parole on your Mom's killer? No. Just...no.
By the way, how do I sign up to post without having to prove I'm a robot? Any info would be aprreciated!
Murderin' Mama. *scoffs* She needs to hook up with Tex. They're soul mates from hell. That trick murdered that beautiful baby because Caylee was a hindrance to Casey's social life. I have no sympathy or compassion for that trick.
And, Yay! to Drew Peterson getting convicted!
I'm sorry, these people are crazy, and i will never think otherwise.
It is not normal behavior for a young woman to marry a convicted killer of how many...seven or more people, including an unborn baby, and have four children with him...children they had no viable means, other than public assistance, of supporting...all in the belief that convicted killer Dad will one day be released and we're all going to live happily ever after. It's not reality. It's nuts.
And I understand and respect that people feel we're supposed to be sensitive re photos of their kids...kids that are now 30 some years old...or close to it, in this day and age of the internet.
While it goes without saying we don't choose our parents, and children are not responsible for the choices and actions of their parents, I personally feel no responsibility to shelter the privacy of baby killing tex's now grown children. Though i understand and respect that others feel differently.
I hope hubby #2 is looking better these days than he does in this old photo....!
Hi Sunset.
You point is well-taken.
In retrospect, I do have reservations and regrets about including the child, in this photo.
These are the variables one must weigh, when posting things online.
Truth be told... last night, my mind was thinking:
"Eh... nobody gives a crap about Tex anyway".
So, I posted away.
But today, in retrospect... Johnny (and you) have voiced reasonable and valid concerns.
All opinions are welcome and valued.
Thanks.
I think everyone's concerns are reasonable...how nice if all bloggers realized that differing opinions may also be valid. Thank you for saying that all opinions are valued.
I respect your kindness, and your generous spirit, Lynyrd.
You ROCK Marliese!
Thanks! : )
Reeses if you want to become a member of this blog, just send Lynyrd an e-mail and he'll send you an invite. Be sure and mention who you are if your e-mail name is different.
Then you won't have to type those "robot words". :)
Speaking of kind and generous spirits... what happened to my man Bob?
Bob...
We're are you Bro??!
...and MattP for that matter??
The guys must be taking "end of summer breaks", I guess.
Saint resurfaces... and everyone else disappears! LOL!
Thanx for your comment Lynyrd. This kid is a perfect example, he didn't choose his parents, he is certainly not responsible for what is father or others did many years ago. However, at least to a certain extent he will be associated with it. He does look a bit like Watson.
I noticed you said you watched a movie about Anne Frank, there were 2 of them posted on YouTube.
Similar things happened to the children of famous Nazi's. I'm pretty sure Hermann Gorings daughter had herself sterilized so "there would be no more Gorings". On the other hand, Gudrun Berwitz (Himmlers daughter), assisted former Nazi's and was still doing so the last I heard. She runs some type of "secret society" that aids former SS men.
There is a vid on YouTube of the grandson of Auschwitz Kommandant Rudolph Hoess returning to the camp to visit. He had with him pix of his father, taken when he was a child at the "Kommandant's house". Some of the gates, fences etc. in the pix could still be seen to this day.
I don't know Katie...
I'm the administrator, and even I get those "robot words" sometimes, if/when I log-out.
I'm not sure there's really any way around it.
I mean...
I can turn that feature off completely for the entire blog... but, the "capcha" (robot words) eliminate "automated spam posts"... so, it's a very useful tool.
Erm...what's Lynyrd's email? lol
Thanks, Lyrnyrd and Katie!
Reeses...
My email is in the sidebar.
But...
I can't guarantee joining will eliminate the "robot words", as Katie suggests.
In fact... I really don't think it has anything to do, with it.
Katie posts daily... so, the computer probably assumes she's not spam by now (although, I might disagree at times, LOL!)... and more importantly... I'm pretty sure Katie stays logged-in at all times... which (I'm convinced) is the key.
If I stay logged-in... I never get the "robot words".
If I log-out completely... I sometimes do.
I really don't believe it has anything to do with "membership".
But... if you want to join anyway... the choice is yours... shoot me an email.
Lynyrd, when I log out I do get the robot words, but when I sign back in, they disappear.
Thanks! Even only some of the time is better than all of the time! I refuse to get bifocals before I turn 50 in December! lol
Katie said:
"Lynyrd, when I log out I do get the robot words, but when I sign back in, they disappear".
That's exactly what I've been trying to communicate...
If you log out... you'll get the capcha words... if you log-in (and stay logged-in)... you can posts 1,000 times consecutively without seeing them.
That's across the board, for all bloggers.
It has nothing to do with membership status... trust me.
If you visit a friend's house, and try to post from their computer... you'll get the "robot words" again, just like anyone else.
(Because you're not logged-in)
There's no connection between "membership" and the "robot words".
I don't know how to express it more plainly.
You're giving Reeses misinformation and false hope.
Joining is not going to make a bit of difference.
The best advice I can give him/her is to stay logged-in.
Lynyrd go take a nap while I finish doing the dishes. LOL.
Yes Ma'am.
Or, as they say in Texas... "Yes'm". LOL
Or...
I could be completely full of shit. LOL
My experience, is that I get the "robot words" when I'm not logged-in.
Of course... I have no way of knowing what others experience on their own personal computers.
I probably shouldn't assume everyone's experience matches mine.
Maybe others experience something totally different... who knows...
Which one's Robot Words Watson?
I don't hold anything against Suzan Laberge for forgiving tex Watson, in fact I'm impressed that she was able to forgive him.
BUT!
Forgiveness is not for the abuser's benefit. Forgiveness is for the victim. Christianity teaches forgiveness in order to help us humans move on with our lives after a tradgedy. You are NOT giving anything to the abuser by forgiving them. Perhaps Suzan misunderstood this? I myself, suspect Tex conned her with his self serving interpretation of biblical scripture. Tex still is a Con Man. Even Manson has said that about Tex and Sadie May Glutz. There are plenty of Christians who are Con Men. Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect. I suspect that God is still a bit ticked at Tex even today but I don't tell the big guy what to do.
I don't know much, but I do know for a fact that Katie is no robot. LMAO, the computer geek that could program a robot to respond like Katie does has yet to be born...
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Hey Lynyrd, like pretty much everyone here I have the same tourette's syndrome knee jerk response when Tex is involved. I start looking for the largest rock and prepare to heave it in his direction. So I fully get your take on the situation.
When we gonna be talking some Creepy Karpis?
Where I grew up if someone even TALKED about your mother- you HAD to fight- to keep your honor...
now if someone went into my house and tortured my mother and then laughed and joked about in court and in front of me....
There would be no forgiveness
and if by any small chance for whatever reason some of you think religion is a reason for forgiveness- or that there is any good reason for forgiveness...
there is a difference between forgiving the scumbag and HELPING HIM...
To me- they should put her in the clink with him..
Let her talk with lulu and Patty about where false devotion to an asshole will get you....
Qtn: How do we know Katie is not a computer?
Ans: 'Cause a computer has an 'off button.'
Katie is relentless... LMAO
i better skeedaddle now before Katie comes back and kicks my butt....
Later all
Circumstance said...
Where I grew up if someone even TALKED about your mother- you HAD to fight- to keep your honor...
now if someone went into my house and tortured my mother and then laughed and joked about in court and in front of me....
There would be no forgiveness
and if by any small chance for whatever reason some of you think religion is a reason for forgiveness- or that there is any good reason for forgiveness...(end quote)
Poirot replies:
I am in the same camp as you St C. If Tex had done the same thing to your or my mother back in 69 i know neither of us would ever forgive. We both would probably be bitter, angry men today.
I an upset that Suzan never considered how her parole forgiveness stunt would hurt Doris Tate.
I could tell by looking at Doris Tate fotos that she never again had any peace in her mind again after Sharon's murder.
I have studied forgiveness 20 years and I still can't quite understand how to do it.
Johny...HA HA HA!!
St. I'm with you. There's no way on God's green earth that I would even SPEAK to someone who did that to my mother, much less ever try to help him no matter how "born again" he claims to be.
Mr. P., Doris was extremely upset with Suzan. She thought she'd lost her mind. I agree with Doris.
I think it was so unacceptable for her to use her so called forgiveness to influence his case for parole. Her mother and stepfather weren't his only victims...
Suzan should be ashamed of the pain she caused Doris Tate that day at the hearing...Doris looked like she was about to have a stroke when they had words at each other outside of the prison.
She can forgive him all she wants, but i don't see where her forgiveness has anything whatsoever to do with whether or not he's fit for, or earned, parole.
I never heard of a victim impact statement being used in that direction...but maybe they are...
Marliese can you imagine how Doris would have felt if that monster got out because of Suzan? That would have been devastating to Doris. After all her hard work, just to have that looney bird show up and ruin it all.
Suzan oughtta be ashamed of herself. I agree with St. She oughtta be in prison alongside Tex.
Katie
Don't forget they were in a parking lot. If Tex gets his 'parole' because of Suzanne, I picture Doris getting behind the wheel of her 1988 Buick Electra and taking care care of business.
(you ever see Kathy Bates in Fried Green Tomatoes --the Parking lot scene?)
BTW, if they ever do a movie of the Tate Family, Kathy Bates must play Doris Tate.
Johnny that would be DE-LI-CIOUS!!! HA HA.
Doris gets in her Buick, floors it, then slams it into drive. Tires are squealing and smoke is flying. Then BOOM! We hear this "flub bub" sound as she runs her down. Then she puts it in reverse and does it again and again until there's nothing left of Suzan but red goo.
Then as she takes off flying from the parking lot, she yells out the window "Good luck honey. Yer Mama's waiting on ya."
HA HA.
I understand how some people need to make inner peace with themselves with the goal of moving on and not dealing with hate and negativity for the rest of there life...
I do understand and appreciate it.
I am not capable. I am more like Doris- I would have fought tooth and nail to make sure I did everything I could to make sure He never left clinksville
enough that he dodged the death penalty
enough he was allowed to have a family
enough he was having the easiest possible time
She had to watch someone who really should have understood more than almost anyone else- line up on the other side- and let him go free altogether
Shame Shame Shame
Hey everyone, Simon Wells posted on Cats "Truth on Tate LaBianca" Forum there is a new documentary airing on tuesday 9/11 called "Devils Business" on the Twisted series on ID Discovery channel...supposed to be some good stuff...
I thought that Doris very nearly punched Suzan in the face in the parking lot. Suzan didn't appear to be all there. She sort of looked prozacked. Is that a word?
St. I agree.
BTW, why didn't she try to get Pat or Leslie out? Hmmmm.....
Thanks Kimchi. Do you know what time that show is on?
Mr. P, I don't know if prozacked is a word, but I wouldn't doubt that Suzan was on some heavy duty meds.
katie8753 said...
St. I agree.
BTW, why didn't she try to get Pat or Leslie out? Hmmmm....(end quote)
Poirot replies:
Why don't bullfrogs have a clutch so they wouldn't jump?
>>>Mr. P. said: Why don't bullfrogs have a clutch so they wouldn't jump?>>>
I'm not sure what that means, but I'm assuming Suzan's interest in Tex is because he's a man?
No forgiveness and rallying to get out 2 women who held her mother down, tied a lamp cord around her neck and stabbed her?
Just forgiveness for the guy who cut her spinal cord, making it impossible for her to crawl anymore to help her husband and stabbed her deep enough that she died of exsanguination?
Suzan rallied to get a man out of prison who made sure her mother was stabbed so many times that she bled to death, a man who stabbed her stepfather viciously, all the while he had his hands tied behind his back, a lily livered coward who couldn't fight one-on-one, who left a knife buried in his throat, a man who after he killed these people decided to dirty up their shower with their own blood, a man who helped himself to food and drink from the fridge while they lay motionless on the floor bleeding out, with shock carved on their faces for all eternity, staring into their dead faces and not caring.
I don't even think she's insane. I think she's that evil.
I remember seeing Doris being interviewed on a 60 Minutes-type TV show many, many years ago. I don't remember her saying anything about forgiveness, but she told a story about being full of anger and rage for 10 years until one day, "the Lord told me to let it go." She then said she channeled her anger into something positive,like victims' rights and making sure the killers stayed behind bars. She invited the reporter into her bedroom (Paul Tate was not part of the interview) because there were more pictures of Sharon in her room,if I remember correctly. There were rosary beads draped over her mirror and a crucifix over her bed. She mentioned that she was a Catholic and got a lot of her strength from her faith. Maybe she forgave her daughter's murderers in her heart but, unlike Suzan, she never asked for their parole.
Well that sums it up perfectly.
Doris had the best 8 word summation:
"Tex gets his parole when I get mine.'
BTW, Doris was not a believer in Helter Skelter.
At least that is what she told Reporter Craig Rivera.
INvestgative Discovery says 10:00 pm but I don't know if that's eastern or central or pacific and I don't have TV right now so I need one of you guys/gals to record it for me...LOL
Over on Cielo Drive, they have the Watson Trial testimony. I had forgotten this tidbit from Melcher on the number of times he saw Tex over at Cielo Drive. It also goes to Tex being associated with Dennis and Jacobsen quite a bit.
Terry Melcher testimony
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"Q: Have you ever seen Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive?
A: Yes.
Q: Approximately how many times?
A: I can't be certain -- several. Watson was a friend of Wilson's and Jacobson's and was often tagging around with either or both of those men, so whenever they would drop by -- not "whenever," but often when they would drop by he would be with them.
Q: Can you give us an approximate number of times that you saw Mr. Watson inside your former residence at 10050 Cielo Drive?
A: I would say approximately six. It's a very rough, rough guess.
Q: Do you recall what part of your former residence Mr. Watson was in on any of these occasions?
A: He could have been in one room or he could have been in all the rooms; I really don't know. I wasn't keeping track.
Q: During what period of time was Mr. Watson at your residence? You said six times -- encompassing, let's say, what period?
A: I guess it would all be -- I'm sorry, let me retract that; All six times would have fallen somewhere in the summer of 1968.
Q: To your knowledge did Mr. Watson ever stay overnight at your residence?
A: No.
Mr. Jacobson took care of my house for me for about four months while I was in Europe doing some recording.
Q: When was that?
A: That was in, I believe I left in the fall of 1968 and Watson may have stayed there then.
Q: You don't know?
A: I'm not certain; it's possible.
Q: Did you have a Jaguar car around this period of time?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: Did you ever loan Dean Moorehouse that car?
A: I did.
Q: Do you know the approximate date?
A: No, I don't, but I am sure that --
Q: In the summer of '68, again?
A: -- in your records -- yes.
Q: To your knowledge did you loan the car to Mr. Moorehouse and Mr. Watson?
A: I loaned it to Mr. Moorehouse.
Q: Was Mr. Watson present when you did this?
A: I believe that Mr. Watson went along with Mr. Moorehouse on the trip, yeah.
Q: During the summer of 1968 did Mr. Watson look the way he does right now?
A: Well, he wasn't wearing a tie.
Q: What about his hair?
A: It was a little longer.
Q: What about his weight?
Would you care to have him stand up?
A: Well, he is thinner.
Q: He is thinner now?
A: Yeah."
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Thanks Carol. You always bring clarity to murkiness.
But I think we should think about why Suzan only forgave Tex and tried to get him out. Susan Atkins was "born again" too.
If she was so full of forgiveness, shouldn't she forgive all of them and try to get them all out? Pat, Leslie & Charlie included?
There's an agenda here. I have no doubt about it.
Think about it...
...how far was her apartment from tex's back in the day?
you would think if she was full of forgiveness that she could extend it to the ones who didn't kill her mother.
but nooooo, she extends it to the one who did the deed.
tex figured out long ago his best play was to play the role of the drugged out hippie following orders from the criminal mastermind manson. then he did his 'born again' stint and almost pulled off a parole.
at this point in time, his only hope for parole is to keep to the lies he has been parroting.
i doubt he'll ever come clean. as the trial testimony shows tex knew his way around Cielo pretty well.
And let's not forget Shorty Shea, he hasn't even been charged with that YET
In one of Clem's hearings he said Shorty pulled the car over into a pullout and stopped so Tex could get some car parts stashed in the brush. Tex turned to Clem and motioned for him to clobber Shorty. Once stunned; Shorty jumped out the passenger door but left the car in gear. The car rolled forward towards the ditch so Clem had to lean over the seat and stp the car. At this point Tex began to attack Shorty and Manson "appeared" from where he didn't know. At this point Bruce was present. Clem said Charlie mat have stabbed Shorty in the arm.
Well...I've been mulling over what you've posted. I didn't know Suzan's forgiveness only extended to Dead-eyed Tex and not the others. That certainly looks hinky. I feel downright queasy reading that she befriended Tex. But, only Tex. Hmmmm...
do you all remember bill nelson's short recorded conversation with the labianca's neighbor harold true? during that conversation nelson was trying to get true to say laberge knew the family and helped orchestrate the murders. (it's not really obvious that nelson was talking about laberge, i think her name was cut off on the recording). true said basically that if suzan had known manson "that she would have been on that bus with the others." i really believe suzan was a nut who pissed off the labianca family after the murders and when nelson met the first mrs. labianca she told him about all these feelings, this added to suzan trying to get watson paroled and nelson being a crazy nut himself turned it into a geraldo type witchhunt and wrote in his hideous books that she was involved. suzan wouldn't have anything to do with nelson, she wasn't that crazy. i knew nelson he was a creep actually he was a born again christian, car dealing, pedaphile, who was totally obsessed with manson and the family because they were an outlet for his warped sexuallity.
the person who could throw some new light on this was that private investigator, i forget her name, that he used, she was actually the on recording with true. she was also friends with krenwinkel and would report everything krenwinkel would tell her back to her other friend doris tate. what a tangled web, does anyone remember her name? i believe her first name was sandra but i can't remember it off hand.
Hi, Katie and Marliese. I agree that it's curious that Suzan pleaded for parole ONLY for Tex.
looked it up in my book and the p.i.'s name is judy hanson.
I have always heard that Suzan Laberge lived near Tex but I have never seen it proven that they both lived in close geographic proximity at the same time.
Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rosemary but not simultaneously. Harold True never met the Labiancas.
There's no one who has uncovered that Tex ever met Suzan Laberge in person prior to 1970 and even then they met in a courtroom at a distance.
Thanks Beauders. I forgot all about that Harold True interview.
Anyone who is interested in hearing it, you can find it here:
http://www.lsb3.com/search/label/Harold%20True
This is a HOOT!! LOL.
Well it's curious because Suzan lights up like a Christmas tree when she talks about Tex Watson...at least she does in that tv interview...can't remember the name of it, but the one where she's in that ugly turquoise get up.
And the photo of Tex, Suzan and Tex's kids...indescribably weird! She's posing as though she's the proud mother of his children.
In 'forgiving' Tex is she absolving herself somehow? Or is it just some perverted sexual attraction?
Anyone know of her relationship with Tex now? It's been many years since the parole fiasco...is she still so turned on by her mother's killer?
Marliese, if Tex killed my mother and I had to even sit in the same room with him and breathe the same air I would be sick to my stomach.
My hat has always been off to Doris for being able to sit across the table from him and listen to his sad-sack bullsh*t. All he talks about in his parole hearings is himself. He's just a waste of a bullet anyway.
For Suzan to pull this bizarre stunt is just unbelievable. And that picture of her with Tex & his kids is CREEPY!!
I don't have any idea what she does now. I don't even know where she lives. Is she married? Who would marry that thing?
"Harold True lived next door to Leno and Rosemary but not simultaneously. Harold True never met the Labiancas." - MrPoirot
Didn't Leno confront Manson and True at one of True's parties because of the noise and the loud music?
“Though I’m grateful for Vincent Bugliosi’s helter-skelter motive and the convictions it brought, I don’t buy into it for a second. There’s something more, some deeper motive for the killings. Even though Manson talks in riddles, he seldom lies. So I watch and wait for that morsel of truth that might slip from his lips, revealing the true motive.”
— Doris Tate
Carol I believe Leno was having trouble with the tenants of that house after True moved out.
According to Sanders, True moved out of his rented house in September of 1968, and the LaBiancas moved into their home next door in November of 1968. So they didn't live there at the same time.
Johnny I don't think even Bugliosi thought Helter Skelter was the real motive. He just used it as a tool to convict Manson. And it worked.
Thanks, Katie. So Leno never confronted Manson or the Family about any party noise? I've read several times that this was the reason Manson picked the LaBianca home - because Leno dissed him in the past.
Katie, i just glanced at part II of the 700 club interview with suzan...trying to figure her, and incidentally noticed at about 5:00 in the video, Suzan is explaining that as her brother got the to house on Sunday 'he noticed that the boat that was usually left somewhere else was still at the bottom of the driveway.'
Interesting. You were saying that Leno usually stored the boat at his mother's?
From this, i get that it wasn't unusual that the boat would be on the street, but unusual that it was still there and hadn't yet been taken to where ever he stored it...and so it seems logical that it was in the street because it was so late when they got home, he wasn't going to take it over to his mother's at that hour, and would have taken it in the morning had he not been killed, and so it was alarming to Frank that it was 'still' in the street later in the day when Frank got home...
I clicked through the first half of part II because it's all tex creeping about how much he loves God, but will get back to Suzan's interview later...gotta run now.
Carol, Manson never had a run-in with Leno, so that couldn't be the reason he picked that house. We don't know what the real reason was, we can only speculate since Manson will never reveal that.
Marliese, I had read in the 2nd Waverly Drive police report that Leno stored that boat at his mom's. I know a lot has been said about that boat being in the street, but I think it's "Much Ado About Nothing". LOL.
I don't have any idea if Leno would normally put the boat in the driveway if he wasn't taking it to his mom's or not. Frank just made a comment about it being in the street. Maybe that was the first time Leno had ever gotten back so late and didn't want to disturb his mom that late or maybe he was just too tired.
I'd fast forward thru Tex too. If I want to hear an asshole talk, I'll just fart. HA HA.
I don't see why people are bagging on the ex-wife. I mean, if she soaked in a tub of kerosene, alcohol, vinegar, Black Flag, RP4, sea salt, cayenne pepper, Kwell Shampoo, and Lysol, she'd be practically brand new.......
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